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Subject: What's the strength of the Danish Army?
Schackleford    11/30/2005 9:09:32 AM
Anyone know? I seem to remember that the Cold War plans called for an army of some 400.000 men, 3 divisions and 5 brigades when fully mobilized, but I'm not sure. Any help would be appreciated, especially if you have a internet page with the info. Also, how about our equipment (Leopard 2, M113, Piranha, M109, MLRS etc.)?
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   11/30/2005 10:27:23 AM
For starters there would be the Army Material Command: http://forsvaret.dk/HMAK/Materiel/Panser/ But it's somewhat out of date. For example 180 Leopard 1A5's have been mothballed, while I think there should be an additional 90 Piranha III's. And all the 51 Leopard 2A5's are online. The MRLS, towed artillery, and mortars have been scrapped, leaving only the M109A3's in service (we actually had to get some new light mortars for Iraq IIRC). The H-500 Cayuse are no more. On the horizon is the procument of new fire support assets and IFV's (my guess is CV90xx). I had an exellent link from CENTCOM somewhere outlining most of it, number of brigades and the like. I will post it when I dig it up.
 
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Thomas3    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   11/30/2005 11:08:56 AM
I think focusing to much on present military strength is to narrow: The plan, which I sense is being implemented, is to build a proparedness to build an army. At jpresent I think we have 1-1½ brigades (including the international forces); but the important thing is the building of the cadre that will be able to train a massive influx of draftees - if the need arises - and thus build an army in course of very few years. If everybody is trained to function on the next higher level, you can - if need arises - just start handing out chevrons and stars and train the soldier that is trained fastest: The private soldier. On the equipment side: well the airforce has F-16A and if need be we can get as many as we can possibly need from the Arizona desert - and as suppliers are in place update them to standard - within in very few years. Army has mothballed a very good tank - and if need be the German industry is able to produce what we need, if the surplus stock of the Bundeswehr isn't enough. The navy has more of a problem as Dansih warships are rather specialised, but the standard flex concept is efficient in this way also: Just raise the numbers on order, work double shifts - while the electronics manufacturer build new containers: The difficult thing is the concept; but that is by now tried and tested. That is one thing very few people understand: A very large part of danish strength is the availability of the US and German industry, that will allow us to purchase the weapons we need - more or less when we need them. The personel structure is getting into place, so we can train the the forces within the strategic warning we have build up since the cold war!
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/2/2005 12:48:41 AM
Army has mothballed a very good tank - and if need be the German industry is able to produce what we need, if the surplus stock of the Bundeswehr isn't enough. - Thomas Indeed it has. The Leo 1A5 is very good. The 105mm L7/M68 is still a formidable weapon and if you added some applique armor it would go a long way. The FCS, stabilization and sensors are also excellent. I was wrong in the previous post. 230 have been mothballed... As for the mentioned link, here it is http://www.centcom.mil/Operations/Coalition/Coalition_pages/denmark.htm Esp the links 1-5 explains a lot... Defense Agreement 2005 1. Agreement Text 2. Agreement Memorandum 3. Material Survey 4. Deployable Capacities 5. Joint Civil Military Planning It pretty much lays out what the Army looks like, excepting a detailed equipment list. I actually think this document was made in response to the Pentagon request for a brigade plus a DIV HQ for OIF. They were severely overestimating what could be delivered!
 
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Yimmy    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/2/2005 12:36:30 PM
You got rid of MLRS... but kept M109?! Odd....
 
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Schackleford    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/2/2005 2:14:37 PM
"You got rid of MLRS... but kept M109?! Odd...." In tomorrow's warfare, there's probably going to be very little need to carpet bomb an entire area with rocket artillery. The Army had to save money somewhere, and since artillery in general and rocket artillery in particular is not going to be needed anytime soon, why not keep those pieces in storage and focus on what we need. We the money saved from this, we bought a lot of new equipment, such as a IFV for the infantry, the first one ever in the Danish Army.
 
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Schackleford    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/2/2005 2:19:09 PM
I noticed in the centcom.mil link that under the Army section, it says: Future soldier, 50 units. What's this and what does it mean? Do we have our own mini-Land Warrior program?
 
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Yimmy    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/2/2005 8:29:39 PM
"In tomorrow's warfare, there's probably going to be very little need to carpet bomb an entire area with rocket artillery" And why is that?
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army? - Yimmy   12/3/2005 9:12:38 AM
You got rid of MLRS... but kept M109?! Odd.... Yimmy I think the idea is to replace the M109s with som new tube artillery, the money is allocated, but what it'll be is anybodys guess. Mine is either the PZH2000 or the http://www.boforsdefence.com/images/archer.pdf TARGET=_blank>FH77BW, with the latter as the favourite, due to strategic mobility.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/5/2005 8:44:26 AM
There was actually an English version of the Material Command link earlier posted... (Just found it) But it is even more dated and full of typos, sigh. http://forsvaret.dk/FKO/eng/Facts+and+Figures/Materiel/Army/
 
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Schackleford    RE:What's the strength of the Danish Army?   12/5/2005 9:34:41 AM
"And why is that?" To clarify: I meant in tomorrows DANISH warfare. Small peace-keeping units (battalion and company) accompanied by special forces and armor in tight spots. And if the fighting takes place in an urban scenario, collatoral damage will be enourmous if you just shower the area with shells.
 
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