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Subject: These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke - literally
swhitebull    10/21/2005 9:10:40 PM
From Little Green Footballs: http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3334090/ AND: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17812&only swhitebull
 
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Thomas    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke - literally   10/24/2005 3:48:56 AM
What is more to the point: Several muslim ambassadors have objected to the cartoons to the primeminister, he basically told them the standard line given to the communists in the old days: Freedom of the press, yada, yada, yada. The interesting thing is that the paper JP has complained about the lack of support from the other newspapers! The main problem at the moment is getting rid of the criminal elements of the second generation immigrants, they are not afraid of jail; but of expulsion. Prisoners are being moved around due to the fact that prison has been known to be a recruiting campus for terrorists. The general impression is that the police is paying much attention to some circles. A person is being procecuted after the new anti-terror law for instigating terror and publishing terrorist material. He is widely travelled and has met Osama bin Laden. The cooperation with the FBI - and others - seems to be working. Some of his material was found in the flat in Hamburg, where the 911 terrorists lived. Steady, persistent police work.
 
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Thomas    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke - literally   10/27/2005 6:39:14 AM
There is more to this case than meets the eye. According to Berlingske Tidende: The protest from muslim ambassadors was forwarded from the Turkish Ambassador in Denmark to the foreign department in Ankara (that apparently toned it down); but was send to the Dansih goverment endorsed by the Turkish Government! Now that was really, really stupid: Denmark was one of the countries that supported Turkish memebership of the EU. This childish whining is not going to improve the chances: Turkey's interpretation of freedom of speach leaves much to be desired from the Eu point of view. It will be difficult for the Danish Government to continue the support in light of the popular feeling, that is already critical. We are a small nation, and know it, but when the matter comes up again, it will not help Turkey, that a former supporter will have to reevaluate their position. This means the opponents to Turkish membership will not have to overrule a small country - The Ankara Government delivers arguments directly into the oppositions hands.
 
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gf0012-aust    These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke - Thomas   10/27/2005 7:46:54 AM
"Denmark was one of the countries that supported Turkish memebership of the EU. This childish whining is not going to improve the chances: Turkey's interpretation of freedom of speach leaves much to be desired from the Eu point of view. It will be difficult for the Danish Government to continue the support in light of the popular feeling, that is already critical. We are a small nation, and know it, but when the matter comes up again, it will not help Turkey, that a former supporter will have to reevaluate their position. This means the opponents to Turkish membership will not have to overrule a small country - The Ankara Government delivers arguments directly into the oppositions hands." I think EU membership for Turkey is rapidly disappearing into the "unlikely basket" The current German Govt is not that keeon on Turkish entry either - so they have in real terms lost another 2 potential supporting votes. On a side note and completely off topic to Denmark - what is Spains view on the Turks gaining entry? I've always been curious to see which wya the Spanish swing as they are the only pre 20th century western european country to have been successfully invaded. My impression from the Spanish I've met is that they are decidedly against it.
 
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Thomas    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke - Thomas   10/27/2005 9:21:45 AM
From what I know, the Spaniards are relatively uninterested, they are much more proocupied by the massive illegal immigration from north Africa - which has more or less turned the Costa del Sol into a gangsters paradise - What the hotels charge IS highway robbery. In general the the spanish European position is very much a relation to France, where France is discriminating Spanish produce. But finally, what many people tend to overlook, there is a very strong Spanish connection to Latin-America. If You want to know what goes on in South America (very few people do) read Spanish newspapers - they are generally good.
 
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TheArmchairCmd    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke   10/27/2005 9:53:47 AM
If I should make a guess I'd say the Spanish don't want to share their massive EU subsidies with Turkey, which is what is going to happen. But otherwise they are very pro-EU, precisely because of the subsidies. The Turkish State Dept and ambassadors call for the Danish govt to curb the free media, is the the stupidest piece of PR I've seen for a long time. Turkey is supposed be modernising ie let their own media reign free. But they obviously have problems with this concept.
 
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Thomas    TAC   10/27/2005 9:58:09 AM
I quite agree.
 
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On Watch    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke   10/29/2005 3:37:46 PM
>>The Turkish State Dept and ambassadors call for the Danish govt to curb the free media, is the the stupidest piece of PR I've seen for a long time.<< Well at least they didn't threaten to hit you in the head with a ChiCom rock! Let's Roll
 
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Thomas    RE:These Islamo-Fascist As-holes really CANT take a joke   11/3/2005 4:21:48 AM
Our Prime Minister will at the upcoming Nato-summit try and teach Erdogan something about freedom of the press.
 
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Tercio    Spain's view of Turkey's hypothetical EU membership. gf, TAC, Thomas   11/3/2005 10:03:20 AM
My opinion, for what is worth: - Spain's elites: Turkey has to be in. If we show to the world muslims can be wealthy and easy-living Europeans, then may Arabs can get rid of nasty habits like blowing up others and themselves. - Average Spaniard: Hasn't thought very much about the topic, but "the Lepanto instict" is still hidden somewhere, and moreover, he has the sense that Europe is made by hardworking Germans and not by Istambul Grand Bazaar crowds. - Myself: Better in than out. Best defence is an attack, and a more developed, more democratic and more stable Turkey can do a nice work in the ex-Soviet muslim republics. About the EU funds, since Spain has already to share the cake with Poland and other new members, and furthermore, by 2007 the tap will be closed to Spain, it hardly will be the reason for a Spanish frontal opposition to Turkey's membership. Tercio PS: By the way gf, I'm not really sure about what do you mean with "they are the only pre 20th century western european country to have been successfully invaded", would you mind to ellaborate a little bit more please?. Thanks.
 
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Tercio    RE:Spain's view of Turkey's hypothetical EU membership. gf, TAC, Thomas   11/3/2005 10:22:16 AM
Oops..."for what is worth:" should be "for what it worths". My English has hit the abissal bottom and has started to dig.
 
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