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Subject: What a great country
Ike    3/20/2002 2:05:39 PM
Saudi newspapers reported that during the recent fire at a girls scholl dorm. The religious police (Mutaween), beat the girls trying to escape back inside because their hair was not covered and they were not wearing their long robes (abaya), therefore they were not permitted to be seen in public uncovered. 14 girls died.
 
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Ike    What a great country-correction   3/20/2002 2:07:54 PM
Sorry, a school dorm instead of scholl.
 
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evlstu    RE:What a great country-correction2   3/21/2002 11:41:34 AM
My understanding is that it was 15 girls.
 
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Ike    RE:What a great country-correction2   3/21/2002 12:56:10 PM
14, 15 I dont think they really care too much. Now, if it had been someones prize racing camels instead, somebody would be in for a good butt-kicking.
 
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evlstu    RE:What a great country-correction2   3/22/2002 3:09:04 AM
Actually, the parents (and freinds and neighbors)were/are FURIOUS. If there were any trees in the desert there probably would have been a lynching.
 
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Ike    What a great society   3/22/2002 7:34:04 AM
I am very sure the family is upset, but I was referring to the society in general where women are treated more like pets than fellow human beings. Like honor killings for instance, killing your daughter in front of the neighbors to preserve family dignity. Because she was seeing an unapproved boyfreind? Chopping off hands for stealing, etc. Shows that the 21st century will leave these people behind in a swirl of dust.
 
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evlstu    RE:What a great society   3/22/2002 10:58:26 AM
Perhaps, but the more upset people get with the religeous police and the larger the middle-class becomes (and both are happening throughout the arab world); then the easier it will be for them to be dragged from the 7th cent. to the 21st cent.
 
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MOS was 71331    RE:What a great society   12/15/2002 11:56:25 PM
I'm an American computer programmer working in Riyadh, KSA, on a support contract for the RSAF, the Royal Saudi Air Force. While beheadings are performed in public, thieves' hands are removed surgically -- or so I was told. Although I live on a compound for westerners, I do most of my shopping in Saudi stores. I have not yet seen a person with only one hand. (Obviously, not every one-handed person would have lost the missing hand in the justice system. Some amputations would surely occur in accidents, just as they do in the US.)
 
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Poilu    RE:What a great society   1/26/2003 4:40:23 PM
But I thought the per capita GDP was declining, from $20K around 1980 to $8K now. That doesn't sound like evidence of a robust and growing middle class...
 
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