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Subject: Organization of Artillery
Roman    10/14/2004 8:48:45 AM
How is artillery organized? I have heard of artillery batteries, battalions, brigades and divisions (Russia has them or at leat had them - I am not sure about other countries, though, perhaps countries like Poland that used to be part of the Warsaw Pact might have them - I have never heard of a NATO artillery division, nonetheless I assume this is the largest artillery unit, correct?), but not much else and even for these I do not know how many guns they have to what they are attached, whether all guns in each of the units are the same type, how many men serve in each of the units, etc. Would it be possible to enlighten me on this subject? Also, what is the smallest amount of artillery worth having? If you were creating an army from scratch, what is the minimum amount of artillery you would consider worthwhile?
 
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Texastillidie    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/4/2005 7:29:48 PM
There is a difference in saying "Brigade Artillery" and saying "Artillery Brigade". Brigade artillery is whatever amount of artillery is assigned to a brigade of Infantry/Armor/etc. An Artillery Brigade would consist of several battalions of artillery assigned to a larger unit, all under the command of a Colonel.If you check out the TO&E of U.S. Army units on http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/toe/ you will find no unit larger than a battalion, assigned to Division or Corp. Typical Division artillery consists of : 3 Battalions of 155mm Paladins (6 tubes each) and one battalion of MLRS (9 launchers). This unit is called a Division Artillery or DIVARTY. No brigades, sorry. Texastillidie
 
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ret13f    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/4/2005 9:16:45 PM
I stand by my statement as it is correct. You are somewhat correct, but miss the point. A corps will have an HHC, Corps Artillery, such HHC III Corps Artillery (Ft. Sill), I Corps Artillery (Utah NG), XVIII Corps Artillery (Ft. Bragg),the commander of Corps Artillery is a BG. An Artillery Brigade has an HHC ## Artillery Brigade, such as HHC 75th Artillery Brigade and so on. Like most brigade TO&Es, the only thing organic to the brigade is the HHB/C/D or whatever the appropriate designation for that type of unit. You might find ,by your reasoning, that we don't have divisions either.
 
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Texastillidie    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/5/2005 1:24:57 PM
 
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Texastillidie    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/5/2005 1:32:26 PM
In reply to your second question, "What is the smallest amount of artillery worth having? If you were creating an army from scratch, what is the minimum amount of artillery you would consider worthwhile? At present mechanized infantry companies have 2 mobile 4.2 inch mortars mounted in M113's as their direct fire support. This small unit is called the "mortar section". This weapon will be replaced with the 120mm remote-fired mortar when it becomes available.
 
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ret13f    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/5/2005 5:28:16 PM
who is still using 4.2?
 
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Roman    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/6/2005 5:33:52 AM
Great explanations everybody! BTW: I was under the impression that mortars were considered part of the infantry rather than artillery.
 
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ret13f    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/6/2005 1:33:08 PM
In US it is, at least it is an infantry MOS and infantry is the proponent agency for all things mortars. However, we have never went in for the very heavy types like 160s and 240s. There was a battery, (from 10th ID, i think) that deployed to Afghan. with 120mm mortars, but that is very unusual.
 
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Texastillidie    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/7/2005 12:28:04 PM
Roman I give you the mother-lode. This site has U.S. Army publications you can download on all things military. I suggest "Fire Support in the Airland Battle", as a starting point. Kick ass, take names, Hoooaaaaaaaa....... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/index.html Texastillidie
 
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ret13f    RE:tex   4/7/2005 2:51:59 PM
The motherlode of what? After 22 years of being a 'Fire supporter' as an FO, team sgt for mech (korea), armor (germany), airborne (ft. bragg); instructor in the Basic Branch/Fire Support Division/Fire Support Department (Ft. Sill), where we routinely reviewed TO&Es and MTOEs; fire support O/C at NTC (very early, when there was only the Blue, Green and Live Fire O/C teams), Lt Infantry Bn Fire Support Sgt (Alaska, 6ID(L)(Arctic)(-)[Screaming Hebrews], Division Rear Fire Support Sgt (?); Division Fire Support Intel Sgt (1Cav) and having some interest in what was happening around me, unlike more than a few I have met, I did learn a little about 'Fire Support'. So, I prefer to look at my 6-20-10,-20,-30,-40,-50; 6-30; 6-20-1,-2; 6-121 and every now and then, just so I have an idea of what the gun doggies are doing I'll flip through a 6-50. Very few things make me as happy as discussing 'Fire Support'.
 
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Texastillidie    RE:Organization of Artillery    4/7/2005 8:05:05 PM
ret13f I guessed that from the MOS in your screen name. I thought I sent that last message to Roman. Perhaps not. No offense meant. I am a medically retired aviator. Took a bullet during TET '68. There was a lot of that going on at the time.
 
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