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Subject: French artillery update
french stratege    6/3/2007 4:35:22 PM
Is the active force french artillery, the world most modern in average? h*tp://www.dtic.mil/ndia/cannon/parquet.pdf All digitilized and networked 268 AUF1 and AUF2: 8/10 round per minute - 52 caliber gun 72 Caesar on delivery 105 TR155 56 G-MLRS hundreds of 120 mm rifled mortar with 13 km range Cobra radar Orchidee helicopteres (The radar range is 200km with the helicopter operating at an altitude of 4,000m and a cruise speed of 180km/h. The radar scans a ground area of 20,000km² over a depth of 200km in 10 seconds and the data is transmitted to a ground station. For moving targets the radar provides a speed resolution of the target of 2m/s. ) and 5500 Bonus shells delivered with two sensor fuzed antitanks submunitions per shell and tenths of thousands Ogre shells (50 000?): Ogre dispenses 63 bomblets, each fitted with a self-destruct mechanism. The bomblets are capable of penetrating more than 90mm of armour. A salvo of six Ogre shells releases 378 bomblets to saturate an area of 3 hectares at a range of 35km. h*tp://www.army-technology.com/projects/caesar/
 
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Sabre       7/20/2007 9:13:36 AM

Competitions?  Where?  What for? Who was competing?  War were the events?
 
Guns are just one part of the artillery system.

The competitions (perhaps I should have used the word "demonstration") were in Europe and at Sill, and were held for various foreign military and government officials "in the market" for SP howitzers...
I know that less sophisticated armies may use archaic fire control techniques, but I would think that the European armies have something roughly comparible in speed and effectiveness with our AFATADS and other FDC software/hardware...

 
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Carl S       7/25/2007 10:52:26 AM
Sabre...I dont know what to think.  I chanced across British, US Army, and German eyewitnesses from 1934 through 1940 who were commenting in a suprised fashion on the speed of operations of the French artillery.  The universal thread in these comments was an ability to mass multi battalion concentrations with 'extreme rapidity' both in prewar training exercises, and in battle.  However I've not accquired any details of this.  

Currently I'm picking my way through the US Army artilley manuals of this period, and related documents such as the field artillery Journal, and various reports, and I'm hoping to accquire similar material for the French.
 
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neutralizer       7/26/2007 6:13:10 AM
Software for ballistic computation is now much the same throughout NATO, because NATO (well a handful of nations really) developed the NABK which is Ada95 source code that's put in processing apps.  After that its a matter of the user interface quality.  Tactical fire control software is a different matter and very difficult to judge because is embodies national doctrinal matters.
 
Automated laying is also quite tricky, getting a algorithm that does not loop into 'hunting' for elevation laying seems to have been an issue in the early days.
 
The Germans are very good at demonstrations.  But demonstrations are not necessarily a good guide to reality!
 
The one 'novel' piece of technology in PzH2000 is barrel cooling, not particularly high tech!  But is does reduce the thermal management issue, and hence enables a high rate of fire for a few minutes (hence the large on board ammo load) at all charges not just low ones.  Interesting one report from Afg has been that after long self propelled moves the magazine system fails!   Maybe the Germans haven't yet quite got to grips with reliability growth programs (I read something recently that they weren't normal practice there - in the context of Boxer IIRC where NL had insisted).
 
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