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Subject: Counterbattery fire
asv2003    8/28/2003 9:09:07 AM
Well we all know that the max casualties that can be caused during war are due hostile shelling. So there is no doubt that the counter battery fires should form a very important part of any of the Armies philosophy. What do you guys feel about it?
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Counterbattery fire   9/2/2003 8:53:34 PM
The US Army has a very strong doctrine on this and has put it into practice for quite some time. It started with sound & flash ranging platoons dating back to WW 1 (to triangulate enemy firing batteries). That continues today with the Q-36 mortar and Q-37 artillery finding radars which are organic in the MLRS battalion in each division. That is why the MLRS came into the inventory, to counterbattery the Warsaw Pact artillery. During GW and OIF, it was not unusual to have MLRS rockets heading downrange before the incoming Iraqi shell landed. That's why the Iraqi gunners called it Steel Rain.
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Thomas    RE:Counterbattery fire   9/9/2003 8:39:40 AM
If you have had time to read some of the other posts: In GW2 the yanks had counterbatteri fire under way before the hostile grenades hit ground.
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Thomas    RE:Counterbattery fire   9/9/2003 8:40:35 AM
Ups overlooked Albany Rifles - sorry, wise words.
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Counterbattery fire   9/9/2003 7:24:38 PM
Always nice to have my comments seconded by someone of your caliber, Thomas.
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Thomas    RE:Counterbattery fire   9/19/2003 6:37:45 AM
I blush - especially as we are talking artillery! My wife would have taken serious offence though.
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palladin    RE:Counterbattery fire   10/29/2003 7:23:24 PM
Technically FIREFINDER is not organic to MLRS battalions however it's a minor point, you got it just about right. The US Army has put all it's eggs in the counterbattery radar bucket and has retired all sound and flash units in the early '90s.
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Texastillidie    RE:Counterbattery fire   4/9/2005 2:13:53 AM
In the first Gulf War the Iraqis normally fired their artillery once, then it was destroyed. Here are some sites on Fire finder. Fire finder Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures for Field Artillery Target Acquisition Manual Pictures
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perfectgeneral    RE:Counterbattery fire   4/9/2005 11:27:17 AM
The present state of counterbattery radar/laser technology begs a question: Is there any place for static artillery in modern warfare? It seems that fire on the move is the best prospect for survival. Perhaps another direction would be single use artillery (fired from a distance)?
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ret13f    RE:Counterbattery fire   4/9/2005 1:59:20 PM
didn't the TABs become a battery in D/A MLRS battalions? and who still used sound and flash in the 90s? i thought that went away during the mid 80s, right after the army fielded some high speed wireless sound equipment.
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Texastillidie    RE:Counterbattery fire   4/9/2005 10:53:43 PM
In answer to the question "Is there any place for static artillery in modern warfare? The answer must be yes. The U.S. Army light infantry, mountain, and airborne divisions all use towed artillery. See: Evidently the Army doesn’t think that counter-battery fire will be a problem for these formations. It hasn’t been in any of our recent conflicts, but none of our recent opponents have been what you would call first-rate either.
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