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Subject: Canadian M777's
ArtyEngineer    1/24/2006 11:05:04 PM
Here is a link to the canadian forces website regarding their new M777 Howitzers. Pretty good video clip of some of the operator training conducted at Sill contained on same page. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1.asp?FlashEnabled=1&id=808
 
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Smoke WP    RE:Canadian M777's - Smoke   4/19/2006 7:15:57 PM
Is it correct that the Triple7 has a battery on board? If so, why? I will take you up on those video clips, my e-mail will arrive shortly
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Canadian M777's - Smoke   4/19/2006 7:44:42 PM
The basic M777 does not have any on board power, however those purchased by the Canadian Military are being fitted with the British LINAPS digital fire control system which does include an on board battery to provide power. The M777A1 is the designation for the hozitzers fitted with Towed Artillery Digitisation (TAD) hardware which consists of SINGARS radio, DAGR (Digital Advanced GPS Reciever) TALIN HG Inertial Navigation Unit, Vehicle Motion Sensor, Power Conditioning & Control Module and Mission Computer along with Digital Displays for teh Gunner , Assistant Gunner, and a Chief of Section Display. All this takes two marine batteries to power in a stand alond mode. However normal operation will be to have the prime mover engin running and to draw power from this.
 
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Griffin    RE:Canadian M777's - Hernia Creators    4/19/2006 10:52:59 PM
ArtyEngineer a week or so ago I saw a gun crew manhandling their Cdn. M777 in some mud and could only groan as I thought of how many current or future hernias were being created do this. The mud of course made it all the worse.
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Canadian M777's - Hernia Creators    4/20/2006 1:22:54 AM
Thats the life of a Cannon Crew man ;), its a labour intensive job. Consider this though the triple 7 at 9300lbs is considerably lighter than the M198 at 16700 (I think) which in its day was considered a lightweight howitzer!!!! Feed back from crews is overwhelmingly positive with regards to emplacement, displacement and bold shift activities on the triple 7. I have heard the M198 refered to as the M 1 niner backache!!!! But I agree, mud sucks!!!!
 
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interestedamateur    RE:Question about the M777   4/20/2006 4:48:27 AM
My understanding is the Caesar is permanently attached on a Unimog truck. Presumably it is fired from the position. However with the portee version of M777 the gun must be unloaded from the back of the Supacat before it can be fired. This sounds slower and alot of hassle compared to the French version. Why have Bae Systems done this rather than copied the Caesar type of operation - is it a customer requirement?
 
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ArtyEngineer    RE:Question about the M777   4/20/2006 10:48:51 AM
This is the only picture I could get which shows the actual lifting and lowering arrangement for the M777 Portee System, its actually very quick and simple. The recent shootoff between the Caeser and this system showed that emplacement/displacement times were of "Negligible" difference.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f332/adjstewart/M777PorteeSystem.jpg">

There are several reasons we went this way: 1) We neither had the time or funding to develope a combined system on our own. 2) The ability to transport the system by split load, ie Triple 7 under one CH 47, and its prime mover under another means this entire system is more tactically mobile than Caeser. 3)There can be a very strong argument made that towed howitzers are preferable over wheeled SP's due to the ability to simply swap prime movers should the original vehicle suffer machanical failure of some sort. This still keeps the tube in the fight. But this really is open to debate ;) 4) There are some valid concerns regarding the stability of lightweight wheeled SP's when firing minimum QE Top Charge across the chassis, for this reason the Caeser has a more limited traverse range +/- 17 Degrees from zero as opposed to the M777's +/- 22.5 Degrees. The M777 also was able to carryout a 180 Degree Bold Shift maneouver faster than the Caeser.
 
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interestedamateur    RE:Question about the M777   4/20/2006 1:23:07 PM
Thanks AE. I can certainly see the advantages, especially with regard to CH47 compatibility.
 
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S-2    RE:Canadian M777's- Capt. Nichola Kathleen Sarah Goddard R.I.P.   5/18/2006 6:31:56 PM
Capt. Nichola Kathleen Sarah Goddard of the 1st Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery," Died in battle 24 kms west of Kandahar yesterday. Forward observer. My condolences to her family and friends, and to Canada.
 
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Carl S    RE:M198 Light????   5/18/2006 7:26:53 PM
"...which in its day was considered a lightweight howitzer!!!!" Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I cant recall anyone back in that day considering the M198 'lite'. By comparison the 155mm it replaced was light.
 
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S-2    RE:Canadian M777's- Capt. Nichola Kathleen Sarah Goddard R.I.P.S   5/19/2006 12:05:10 AM
Smoke W.P., the account I read listed her as a F.O. Is this the case? Are there female F.O. officers who are captains. Most of our actual shooters are enlisted and junior NCOs, commanded by a 2LT, and all male.
 
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