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Hasib Ghorgi     9/4/2002 10:21:59 PM
only book to read is the Koran it is the true book the bible is for pagans
 
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Matt Smith    RE: Books   9/11/2002 4:30:50 PM
I'm dreadfully sorry Hasib, but you won't get away with such ignorant stereotyped pigeon holing with me. You will need to get out of bedd a lot earlier in the morning before you get one over me. I freely admit I was baptised a Roman Catholic however I have renounced allreligions in favour of my own personal belief system based on personal revelation and knowledge rather than faith in what some 'prophet' or interpreter of a prophets words says is true. I freely acknowledge that while such an approach to personal ethics and morals is offered by Islam, you are to feeble minded to grasp and make use of that opportunity. As for being a poof, I treat that with the contempt it deserves, I put it to you, why do you have such an anal fixation in the first place? Did you have problems with toilet training as a child or were you perhaps sexually abused by your father?
 
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IraqiHero    RE: Books   9/11/2002 4:44:36 PM
Look everybody! Hasib discovered the "shift" key. Gives him something else to do with his hand.
 
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Matt Smith    RE: Books   9/11/2002 6:27:37 PM
Skinny Somalis are best at kicking the arses of other skinny Somalis, that's exactly what they've been doing ever since the rest of the world decided to say 'stuff them, they can murder each other and starve to death on their own terms'. Very clever of the Somalis to bite the hand of these who tried to feed them. Where are they and who really cares about them now? The US are intelligent in getting out of such a situation,if you think being intelligent makes someone a pussy, by all means, stay stupid.
 
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Ozzymandius    RE:Books   9/12/2002 12:16:23 AM
1. Isn't Imam a former supermodel and now David Bowies wife? 2. The mentallity of the people who burned the Library of Alexandria is alive and well in people like Hasib. Assuming of course he is a real muslim.
 
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Muslim to Adam Selene    RE: Books   9/13/2002 3:11:47 AM
""If these [the contents of the Library at Alexandria] agree with the One Book [the Koran], they are unnecessary. If they disagree, they are pernicious. In either case, therefore, let them be burned." - Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, 640 AD" This quote is actually more important than you think, and it makes more sense when you think about it. Basically what Omar meant was from the view point of a muslim, the only book that we take as guide in our lives is the Quran. What happened was that once christians and jews were becoming muslims on a large scale, they were bringing stories and morals from their books into Islam, if those stories and morals AGREE with the Quran, then what's the point of taking them from the bible if the exact same thing is said in the quran, if those stories and morals DISAGREE with the Quran, then the Quran takes precedence. So what Omar was saying was addressed to those Jews and Christians who converted to Islam, he asking them to forget about those books, because they are now muslims, and the only book we use is the Quran. He was not talking about burning ALL bibles and Torahs, whoever is still a jew and christian kept their books and their religion, whoever decided to convert was asked to forget those books, everything they need is in the Quran. I must say I agree with Hasib, the only book FOR MUSLIMS is the Quran (as a source for guidance, not science, history etc.) Every other book, whether holy or not, cannot take any type of precidence over the Quran. But that doesn't mean that we should burn all bibles and torahs, we just don't care about them. This is not to be confused with treating Jews and Christians any different, they are still treated with respect and provided protection and full rights.
 
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Muslim to Adam Selene    RE: Books   9/13/2002 3:12:15 AM
""If these [the contents of the Library at Alexandria] agree with the One Book [the Koran], they are unnecessary. If they disagree, they are pernicious. In either case, therefore, let them be burned." - Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, 640 AD" This quote is actually more important than you think, and it makes more sense when you think about it. Basically what Omar meant was from the view point of a muslim, the only book that we take as guide in our lives is the Quran. What happened was that once christians and jews were becoming muslims on a large scale, they were bringing stories and morals from their books into Islam, if those stories and morals AGREE with the Quran, then what's the point of taking them from the bible if the exact same thing is said in the quran, if those stories and morals DISAGREE with the Quran, then the Quran takes precedence. So what Omar was saying was addressed to those Jews and Christians who converted to Islam, he asking them to forget about those books, because they are now muslims, and the only book we use is the Quran. He was not talking about burning ALL bibles and Torahs, whoever is still a jew and christian kept their books and their religion, whoever decided to convert was asked to forget those books, everything they need is in the Quran. I must say I agree with Hasib, the only book FOR MUSLIMS is the Quran (as a source for guidance, not science, history etc.) Every other book, whether holy or not, cannot take any type of precidence over the Quran. But that doesn't mean that we should burn all bibles and torahs, we just don't care about them. This is not to be confused with treating Jews and Christians any different, they are still treated with respect and provided protection and full rights.
 
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Adam Selene to Muslim    RE: Books   9/13/2002 7:03:05 AM
"If these [the contents of the Library at Alexandria] agree with the One Book [the Koran], they are unnecessary. If they disagree, they are pernicious. In either case, therefore, let them be burned." - Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, 640 AD The reason I drew that citation, Muslim, was not to explain the particular characteristics of the Islamically inclined but to make a point about True Believers (secular as well as sacerdotal) and the invincible ignorance with which they bulletproof their bigotries. Though the above-mentioned Caliph Omar is remembered by intellectually honest people as the Patron Saint of book-burning (having deliberately and maliciously completed the destruction of the greatest single repository of knowledge and literature in the Western world), he is certainly not the only example of the bloated religious idiots who have drawn so much blood and inflicted so much damage in their scramble to keep the people around them selectively blinded to anything alien to their peculiar prejudices. As for the Quran and your own mutuality with Caliph Omar, let's give St. Thomas Aquinas the last word: "Beware the man of one book." ... ...
 
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Adam Selene to Muslim    RE: Books   9/13/2002 7:07:20 AM
"If these [the contents of the Library at Alexandria] agree with the One Book [the Koran], they are unnecessary. If they disagree, they are pernicious. In either case, therefore, let them be burned." - Caliph Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, 640 AD The reason I drew that citation, Muslim, was not to explain the particular characteristics of the Islamically inclined but to make a point about True Believers (secular as well as sacerdotal) and the invincible ignorance with which they bulletproof their bigotries. Though the above-mentioned Caliph Omar is remembered by intellectually honest people as the Patron Saint of book-burning (having deliberately and maliciously completed the destruction of the greatest single repository of knowledge and literature in the Western world), he is certainly not the only example of the bloated religious idiots who have drawn so much blood and inflicted so much damage in their scramble to keep the people around them selectively blinded to anything alien to their peculiar prejudices. As for the Quran and your own mutuality with Caliph Omar, let's give St. Thomas Aquinas the last word: "Beware the man of one book." ... ...
 
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Muslim to Adam Selene    RE:Books   9/13/2002 7:13:49 AM
I have a problem here, I can't view my last post, or your response to my post. I don't know what to tell you, but until I can get this problem figured out, I can't discuss anything because I just can't read your post. I'm trying to figure out what's wrong, I've tried to view my last post from more than one computer and it still doesn't work, you're going to have to wait until I figure this stupid problem out. Sorry.
 
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