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Subject: Starship Troopers - Neofascist or not?
mike_golf    1/18/2004 9:24:18 PM
Okay, I've read two different pieces that categorized the political scenario in Robert Heinlein's "Starship Troopers" as fascist or neofascist. I've just got to hope they are saying this because they saw the movie, but didn't read the book. While I don't necessarily agree with the concept of earning your citizenship by military service (although I don't fully disagree either) that doesn't make it fascist. In fact, it is made quite clear throughout the book that those who are not citizens hold the military in contempt for the most part and don't value the franchise to vote highly at all. This is quite the opposite of the fascist paradigm, so full of military and para-military propaganda, pomp and spectacle. In a fascist country everyone can vote, but the person they will vote for is pre-determined. Often it is their only choice. I think that Heinlein used the government as a tool to point out some of the flaws in our current government in the US. Heinlein was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand and by precepts of Libertarianism (Originally called Liberalism before Liberal came to be synonymous with social democracy) and was extremely unlikely to ever advocate anything as authoritarian as a fascist government. So, if you think that the government in "Starship Troopers" is fascist because you saw the movie, read the book. It will dramatically open your eyes to what Heinlein was really getting at. If you think it's fascist and you have read the book, well I just don't understand what you consider fascist.
 
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oregon_x_marine    RE:Mike_Golf questions   6/11/2004 1:40:48 AM
Brother, do I wear you out with all these questions???
 
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mike_golf    RE:Mike_Golf questions   6/11/2004 2:13:59 AM
*laughs* not yet, although we may be boring the board to death! tell you what, drop me a line at: mike_golf_ret @ yahoo.com. We can keep talking there and I can take my time answering the questions.
 
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oregon_x_marine    RE:Mike_Golf questions   6/11/2004 12:37:53 PM
I'm the "curious George" of the board.
 
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Patton620    RE:Starship Troopers - Neofascist or not?   6/12/2004 10:18:36 AM
I saw the movie Starship Troopers and based on what I gathered from the movie it was the most discusting piece of fascist proganda I ever seen in a movie. The concept of being the strongest, the meanest, toughest person you can be is revolting to me. Also the way the officers dress at the end of the movie is so of Hermen Goerings design I wanna throw up. But this is just based on what I saw in the movie, I have no idea what the author was trying to convey in the book.
 
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Ehran    RE:Starship Troopers - Neofascist or not?   6/12/2004 10:53:12 PM
go forth and get a copy of the book. the book and the movie are very very different critters.
 
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mike_golf    RE:Starship Troopers - Patton620   6/13/2004 12:37:01 AM
The movie is horrible. Read the book, one of the three or four best military science fiction stories ever written.
 
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Patton620    RE:Starship Troopers - Neofascist or not?   6/13/2004 12:42:12 AM
Ehran i want to but i always forget to pick up a copy at the bookstore everytime.
 
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Ehran    RE:Starship Troopers - Neofascist or not?   6/13/2004 3:51:12 PM
be careful you don't get the novelization of the wretched excuse for a movie.
 
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Strangelove    RE:Starship Troopers - Lousy Movie   6/14/2004 3:07:18 AM
S-troopers ins't a bad movie, it is just not a good representation of the book. The book was a reflection on political philosophy in the future, the movie was about laser guns and insectoid aliens in the future. Simply apples and oranges, in my opinion.
 
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wkwillis    RE:WK willis   6/14/2004 3:44:20 AM
oregon x marine On the Florida issue the relevant federal and state election law says that the state supreme court rules on the issue. When the US supreme court overruled the Florida supreme court and overturned the precedents was bad enough in deciding that the federal court could overrule the state court in this instance, but what made it impeachable was when the US supreme court added the last sentence, the one that said that it was only ok for the federal court to overrule the state court in this instance. This instance was the only instance in which the state court was favoring a Liberal. The other instances were where the federal courts were intervening FOR Llberals instead of against them and had their fingers slapped by the US supreme court ruling that the state courts had jurisdiction. You know, where for some reason poor black crack users lose their right to vote but middle class white cocaine users don't. That last sentence will get those justices impeached when the Conservative coalition disintegrates. This is dangerous. We are about to become a democracy instead of a republic. A government of men instead of laws. We are going to abruptly move from a government where compromise rules to a government where majority rules. And Liberals are going to be the majority that rules. This makes me uneasy because I am a Libertarian and I don't want to live in a majoritarian country because I am not a member of the new Liberal majority.
 
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