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Subject: Favorite Military Science Fiction Book
D Masterson    8/31/2002 9:58:17 AM
Let us know what your favorite Military Science Fiction book is. Personally, Ender's Game is probably my favorite with Starship Troopers a close second. There certainly is a lot of good stuff out there.
 
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paul1970       10/12/2007 6:28:26 AM
David Weber.. Honor Harrington series.
need good maths. last couple are too heavy or poor thought through politics though.
 
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TrustButVerify       10/12/2007 10:40:46 AM
My first reaction, whenever this question pops up on the forum, is (of course) Starship Troopers.
But that would be dishonest.
I must confess that I read Ender's Game, cover to cover, over one schoolday. Unfortunately, Orson Card doesn't have the experience to write a really convincing military narrative. But Pournelle's The Mote In God's Eye is everything that a space dreadnought book ought to be, right down to the grizzled old petty officers and the inexperienced midshipmen.
 
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TrustButVerify    1632   10/12/2007 10:54:08 AM
Oh, forgot to add- 1632 gets a big ol' thumbs-up from my corner. You can get it for free from Baen's electronic library and I absolutely loved it. Yes, I'm sure it's riddled with inaccuracies, but it told a glorious story and had the guts to be completely partisan for the American ideal. There's precious little of that stuff these days- it's unfashionable to be a patriot, even worse to be pro-American, and I'm glad to see Eric Flint was willing to wave the flag a little. It's not all McDonalds and Abu Gharib, you know...


 
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Jeff_F_F       10/12/2007 8:03:45 PM
Mote in Gods Eye was certainly one of the best SF books I've ever read. It is one that really defines my idea of what good science fiction even more than it does MSF for me. The high level analysis of managing contact between two alien cultures was fascinating.
 
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dll2000    recommended   11/11/2007 4:12:30 PM
Judging from the publication dates of several of these books there are several people on this board who came of age in 70's or earlier.  I took some of the recommendations and read Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Darsai! and The Mote in God's Eye.
 
Its interesting to see the cold war influence and also the strong influence of the fear of the population bomb present in the books. 
 
I thought Ender's Game, Starship Troopers and MISAHM were far superior to Darsai! and Mote in God's Eye.  Darsai! put too much emphasis on genetic predestination and stereotypes to be believable or likeable.  A trader planet, a science planet, a warrior planet, etc.; kind of silly but overall it wasnt a bad book.  Mote in God's Eye had a decent and interesting premise (first contact with aliens set far in the future), but was just flat boring for long stretches.  I found myself skipping several paragraphs and the romance between the Senator's Daughter and the ship captain was both out of place and uninspired.  I dont think team writing makes for a good book in most cases.
 
I'm on a train currently commuting for 3 hours+ a day so any book recommendations are appreciated.
 
 
 
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BasinBictory       11/12/2007 7:22:54 AM
dll2000,
 
Since you mentioned you have lots of time for reading, may I also suggest John Scalzi's recent trilogy of books, "Old Man's War," "The Ghost Brigades," and "The Last Colony." I read Old Man's War on the suggestion I received from another forum, and enjoyed it so much that I quickly devoured Scalzi's other two novels in the series. Old Man's War is excellent, Ghost Brigades is also pretty good, while Last Colony was okay, but felt somehow clipped and heavily edited, as though Scalzi was working up against a strict deadline for publication.
 
I am currently reading "Ender's Game" - I am about halfway through, and I have to say, mostly it's a book that makes me sad. The idea of having eight-year-old soldiers is depressing.
 
I plan to read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" by Phillip K. Dick. This is the novel which the movie "Blade Runner" was based on, and will be my first Dick novel. I am a huge Robert Heinlein fan and have read virtually all of his works, and although Starship Troopers retains a special place in my heart, I honestly believe that Heinlein's masterpiece was "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress." I enjoyed that book on many different levels, from Professor de la Paz's musings about government and governance, to the technical aspects of lunar colonization, to Manny's rather unorthodox marital arrangements, to the problems of creating and equipping an army from absolute scratch, to the politics and structure of a clandestine revolution, to of course, the final battle with the Earth authorities for Lunar independence. Just an awesome, awesome book.
 
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WarNerd       11/13/2007 2:18:23 AM
A long but interesting read is Roland Green's "Starcruiser Shenandoah" series, if you are interested in an action series that deals more with strategic than tactical thinking.  It's good for providing perspective as to why we cannot just trash the bad guys like they do in the movies
 
The basic plot is that the is a revolt brewing on the planet Victoria.  The place is of zero (some say negative) strategic or economic value, but; due to interstellar geography and a previous war, The planet is split between the 2 human governments in that part of the galaxy, neither of which wants to set a president by giving up anything to the other.  The good guys (the Confederation) send out a small fleet lead by the elderly battlecruiser Shenandoah to try and keep the lid on the problem.
 
Th problem?  Well, besides the Alliance (human) the are the two local governments, 3 alien governments, at least 3 independence movements.  Each has it's own political parties, military units, 'intelligence' services, and fanatics, each with it's own ideologies and agendas.  Then there are the smart people on both sides who are more concerned about avoiding another interstellar war, that both sides would lose.
 
Then some idiot gives one of the factions of an independence movement a couple dozen thermonuclear warheads ...
 
 
 
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TrustButVerify       11/14/2007 9:21:10 AM
I suppose I should give Haldeman's Forever War a plug. It serves as a good contrast to Starship Troopers, even if it is in good part a rumination on the Vietnam experience. It isn't particularly glorious. If you want action, blood, and bravery you might want to give David Drake's Redliners a look. (Available for free from Baen's online library, again.) Hammer's Slammers is recommended by everyone with good reason, being in the same vein. There is also a fun trilogy by David Weber which begins with Mutineer's Moon. The first book is good enough on its own, and the sequels are full of nail-biting clashes between opposing battlefleets.
The Stars Must Wait by Keith Laumer is a fun little novel in a sort of post-apocalypse vein. (It has a Bolo. You could do worse.)
Finally, if you didn't care for the romantic subplot in God's Eye you might give Honor Harrington a look. To date I've only read the first book of the series but enjoyed it.
One final recommendation- Apocalypse Troll by David Weber, again. Happy reading.
 
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paul1970       11/14/2007 5:04:07 PM

I suppose I should give Haldeman's Forever War a plug. It serves as a good contrast to Starship Troopers, even if it is in good part a rumination on the Vietnam experience. It isn't particularly glorious. If you want action, blood, and bravery you might want to give David Drake's Redliners a look. (Available for free from Baen's online library, again.) Hammer's Slammers is recommended by everyone with good reason, being in the same vein. There is also a fun trilogy by David Weber which begins with Mutineer's Moon. The first book is good enough on its own, and the sequels are full of nail-biting clashes between opposing battlefleets.
The Stars Must Wait by Keith Laumer is a fun little novel in a sort of post-apocalypse vein. (It has a Bolo. You could do worse.)
Finally, if you didn't care for the romantic subplot in God's Eye you might give Honor Harrington a look. To date I've only read the first book of the series but enjoyed it.
One final recommendation- Apocalypse Troll by David Weber, again. Happy reading.

the Honor harrington books are his best... they are all Honor this and Honor that so no giving the game away that she has a habbit of surviving... they move up from single ship through small squadron all the way up to lines of battle...
last couple have been very badly politic heavy but the fighting is still top notch......
 
paul
 
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dll2000    New Books   2/24/2008 4:51:26 PM

  I have read several books since my last posting and have some new recommendations.

 Based upon numerous recommendations here I read Card's Ender's Game and went on to read most of his work.  Of Card's books his best was Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow (same story told through another characters perspective), the rest of the Ender's series was enjoyable but did not rise to the level of those two works.  I also enjoyed Card's Alvin Maker series; a type of alternative history set roughly in the early half of 19th century America where it is common for citizens to have supernatural 'knacks' and hexes work. 

 As for science fiction with a military theme I most recently read and most highly recommend Jim Butcher's Codex Alera series.  Jim Butcher is most famous for authoring the Dresden Files series which was picked up for a season on the Sci Fi channel.

 The Codex series is set in an alternative world with different types of humanoid citizens.  The humans in the dominant nation, depicted as a post Romanesque medival feudal society, utilize a type of magic by summoning the abilities of elementals called 'furies' with the nobles or 'lords' having more powerful control and access to furies.  Other societies and creatures in that world have their own supernatural abilities and are in a near constant state of war.    

 

 
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