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Subject: China Has A Scary Plan
SYSOP    3/1/2012 5:22:02 AM
 
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VisigothCAS       3/1/2012 10:15:07 AM
Cyberwar isn't sexy enough, meaning the Congress Critters can't buy enough votes by funding it and most Americans won't be capable of understanding how badly they were let down by their politicians even after it happens. Instead, they will believe it when the politicians hold hearings to throw the IT companies under the bus to save themselves.
 
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blogagog       3/1/2012 6:46:38 PM
"The Department of Defense has been pleading with Congress for help in this area, but Cyber War defense is not sexy, so American defenses remain weak, and the Chinese keep at it."
 
 
Gee, take your data off-line?  Whomever is 'pleading' needs to be replaced.  The solution is quite simple, and costs nothing.
 
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Reactive       3/1/2012 10:47:19 PM
Lol, 
 
It's not that simple, how do you keep everything offline when you have 100 teams collaborating on a project spread across thousands of miles?
 
At some point you need to transmit sensitive data avoiding interception and then make sure it is behind an airgap when decrypted, that requires endless vigilance, if the Bradley Manning saga demonstrates anything it is the complacency that tends to exist around data security - look at his chat transcripts. LM found a lot their subcontractors were completely unaware that they'd been compromised. 
 
Critical systems are mostly offline, but data is far harder to protect, as it always has been. Physical or Virtual, if the adversary is the size of the PRC it requires a significantly larger response or deterrent.
 
 
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wastral    "teams"   3/2/2012 10:26:27 PM
All those "teams" exist because of vote buying. As defense contracts are puposefuully spread out. 
 
Besides, rarely is anything useful ever sent over the internet.   Dimensions needed for said "box" to fit.  Drawings?  No.  Not needed.  All integration is done on site far quicker or via a phone call and ask for dimensions of said sensor.  Technical specs of said sensor and how its built?  Specs maybe, how its built?  Never.  I have to wonder if the idiot saying one needs the internet for doing business even works in the industry doing anything besides playing canasta online. 
 
Its not hard keeping your data offline.  Just unplug the internet connection.    The workers Bitch and complain because now they can't waste half the day looking at internet sites instead of working.    That is the only real problem.  Instead go back to tried and traditional method of wasting time; Big meetings where one person is presenting material, 2 people actually need said material of whom said person could have simply walked to their desk and handed it to them, and the other 30 are there just to be seen and not heard, because if they were heard, it would be apparent that they are doing nothing and first in line for firing. 
 
Half the "engineers" at Boeing could be summarily fired and the productivityu would increase.    i am sure its just as bad elsewhere.  Unions, export them to China.  Why companies are saddled with all these incompetents.    Unless said employee doesn't show up to work, it is impossible to fire these worthless slugs.
 
Why do USN ships cost so much?  Read the above.  Why does the F-22 and F-35 cost so much?  read the above.  
 
 
 
 
 
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Reactive       3/5/2012 11:34:40 AM
All those "teams" exist because of vote buying. As defense contracts are puposefuully spread out. 
 
Sure, except the trend is going in the opposite direction.
 
Besides, rarely is anything useful ever sent over the internet.   Dimensions needed for said "box" to fit.  Drawings?  No.  Not needed.  All integration is done on site far quicker or via a phone call and ask for dimensions of said sensor. Technical specs of said sensor and how its built?  Specs maybe, how its built?  Never.  I have to wonder if the idiot saying one needs the internet for doing business even works in the industry doing anything besides playing canasta online. 
 
I never said "one needs the internet for doing business" I said that it is virtually impossible to avoid using electronic communications OR physical transmission of electronic data when dealing with disparate design teams - that is something I have personally found when working on design projects where IP is critical, industrial systems, products and the like. No, I don't work directly for defense contractors, and was not making the claims to seem to attribute, I did not ever state that an entire schematic breakdown or manufacturing process would be transmitted.  
 
 
Its not hard keeping your data offline.  Just unplug the internet connection.    The workers Bitch and complain because now they can't waste half the day looking at internet sites instead of working.    That is the only real problem.  
 
Er: I think you missed the point,  I presumed sensitive information would be kept offline, but even to take your unrealistic example of a future where consortiums have (perhaps wisely) been axed, and replaced by a single contractor and location, all workstations are offline, they still need to be networked together (via storage devices or LAN), that still leaves you with the possibility of data theft via miniature storage devices, wireless devices, and the nearest network-enabled node?  Is everyone x-rayed and cavity searched when leaving the premises? 
 
 
Half the "engineers" at Boeing could be summarily fired and the productivityu would increase.    i am sure its just as bad elsewhere.  Unions, export them to China.  Why companies are saddled with all these incompetents.    Unless said employee doesn't show up to work, it is impossible to fire these worthless slugs.
 
Ok, well, I'm sure you're correct about this but unless you're in a position to change the status-quo, from lobbying through to bureaucratic inertia and mismanagement surely you would agree that discussing the present situation is more relevant?
 
 
Why do USN ships cost so much?  Read the above.  Why does the F-22 and F-35 cost so much?  read the above.  
 
Again, yes, I agree, you will note I said: 
 
"It's not that simple, how do you keep everything offline when you have 100 teams collaborating on a project spread across thousands of miles?" 
 
Which is correct, is it not? Unless you are starting with the precondition that corporate management, industry in general and (by extension) the lobbying and political system in the US has to radically change beforehand (fat chance).
 
The point is surely that data storage density and network bandwidth are both increasing to the point that it becomes harder and harder to prevent major breeches against a determined adversary.
 
 
 
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Reactive       3/5/2012 11:36:11 AM
By the first point I meant that consortia are becoming more common on major projects, I am not suggesting that is a good thing, merely stating a fact.
 
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