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Subject: Why is April 20 different from other nights?
jastayme3    3/17/2008 12:52:59 AM
Well we all know that, but I almost goofed on it because of a calender quirk and thought it was next Saturday. Be that as it may, I wish Ezekiel, and Shirrush, and Battar, and all my friends and all my worthy rivals and all who are each by turns a happy Passover next month.
 
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jastayme3       5/13/2008 6:43:30 PM

Jas,

        I could just as well say "It's B*&^%y freezing out there!"

There is often a definite advantage in providing accurate information, and if you don't people like me wonder what you are hiding and why. I take pleasure in looking for the angle that is not obvious, that other people don't see - ususally because they can't be bothered to look beyond the information that they need or is relevant. It's just a little mental exercise, like crossword puzzles. You can have great fun looking at adverts and finding the angle they don't want you to see. How many times have you seen a TV commercial that obviously cost 100 grand to produce but provides no information about the product/service? There is a reason for that, you know. Recently a major international company started an ad campaign promoting it's soft drink product with the claim that it doesn't contain preservatives. So of course I checked all the soft drinks on the supermaket shelves to see which ones did have preservatives. Guess what I found? Yes, I know thats called being cynical, I often stand accused of that crime. And yes, I get cynical about things which other people care about, like religion, but that is what satire is built on.

Of course the analytical method is not the only one, thats why the bookshops are filled with fiction and novels (I don't read them, the wife does), but one way of thinking comes more naturaly to me than the other, and it's often good for a laugh. I would never say "tis cold and windy at the harbour". You can if you like.  



I wasn't criticising that method, I often use it myself. I was criticizing what I perceived as a superior air toward those who
use other styles and modes.
 
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jastayme3       5/14/2008 4:03:23 AM
As far as strict "accuracy" your version fails on that count too.

"I could just as well say "It's B*&^%y freezing out there!", is true. You
could say that. However that does not give any details about the wind. More over it does not give
 a description of the place where it is B*7^%y freezing. Furthermore
by the standards of strict accuracy you cannot say it is B8&^%y freezing because neither
description has claimed either that there was percipitation or that the water at the harbor had
begun to congeal neither of which is reported. Of course you could be claiming that the atmosphere was beginning to solidify.
But in that case it could no longer be windy, and the probability would be that you would no longer be here to demand strict accuracy. In fact the only addition that your version brings is the peculiar adjective of B*&^%y.
So I cannot except your comment that you could just as well say that it's B*&^%y out there. Not only does
it fail to either possess aesthetic quality or to convey experience it fails in giving precision and is therefore a vastly inferior
form of wording.


 
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battar    Information theory   5/14/2008 2:52:35 PM
Jas,
       Information theory is an interesting subject.
I know that You know enough about the English language to understand how a single expletive modifies the meaning of a sentence. You know enough about local climate to infer what kind of temperature "Bl*&^y freezing" means (11 degrees C in Haifa, -23C in Nova Scotia). You also know enough about me to understand that I am not trying to convey a literal meaning. Because I know how much foreknowledge you have, I can convey (to you) a very accurate description of the weather at the harbour in just 5 words. A different audience would require a longer, or different message. 
 
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jastayme3       5/14/2008 3:21:07 PM

Jas,

       Information theory is an interesting subject.

I know that You know enough about the English language to understand how a single expletive modifies the meaning of a sentence. You know enough about local climate to infer what kind of temperature "Bl*&^y freezing" means (11 degrees C in Haifa, -23C in Nova Scotia). You also know enough about me to understand that I am not trying to convey a literal meaning. Because I know how much foreknowledge you have, I can convey (to you) a very accurate description of the weather at the harbour in just 5 words. A different audience would require a longer, or different message. 

...What are you hiding and why?

 
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