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Subject: Sheep and Lambs
jastayme3    12/29/2007 11:18:31 PM
In Vietnam the CIA used to smuggle defective ammunition into the VC supplies where they were to explode when fired. Couldn't Israel do something like this? If Israel is the Evil Zionist Conspiracy, why not be hanged for a sheep as a lamb and make a real, Evil Zionist Conspiracy. Find some way to get suicide vests that have a transponder in them that attracts guards into their supplies. Or just give them one that will explode at the wrong time. And make sure the word gets out that you have done so. The result might be amusing. America can do that too. If the Evil Zionist Conspiracy can do that, the Great Satan shouldn't be to far behind!
 
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farscape       12/29/2007 11:48:51 PM
How do you know that Mossad or Shin Bet doesn't use such tactics? Hamas, Al Aqsa, and Islamic Jihad terrorists do seem to have a disproportionate amount of "work accidents". Nor do I call such counter-terrorist work evil in any sense of the word.
 
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jastayme3       12/30/2007 2:59:40 AM

How do you know that Mossad or Shin Bet doesn't use such tactics? Hamas, Al Aqsa, and Islamic Jihad terrorists do seem to have a disproportionate amount of "work accidents". Nor do I call such counter-terrorist work evil in any sense of the word.
In this context the term "Evil" was ironic. Naturally defending against terrorists is not evil. But the Mossad is of course a "Zionist Conspiracy" as it is obviously Zionist and by the strict dictionary definition it is a conspiracy. Being "Zionist" and a "Conspiracy", makes it a "Zionist Conspiracy".
Be that as it may, I wonder if one could get good results by toying with their superstitions and warping their morale by letting them know and exagerrating what you can do("the Mossad has a magic charm that calls evil Djinn to come and gum-up our weapons"). What if every Arab in Palestine believed it?


 
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battar    Maths   12/31/2007 2:19:13 PM
The maths don't work out.
In order to sell them explosives that go bang under your command, you first have to gain their trust. You do this by selling them some of the genuine article first. You really don't want to do that. And what happens when they wise up to you?
 
The ideal trick is to get them to suspect that you are tampering with their imports of explosives, and sow distrust among themselves.
 
An IDF officer once said "If I want to get kill a Palestinian, all I have to do is walk up to him and shake his hand in the street. His fellow Palestinians will do the rest".
 
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jastayme3       1/1/2008 7:10:58 PM

The maths don't work out.

In order to sell them explosives that go bang under your command, you first have to gain their trust. You do this by selling them some of the genuine article first. You really don't want to do that. And what happens when they wise up to you?

 

The ideal trick is to get them to suspect that you are tampering with their imports of explosives, and sow distrust among themselves.

 

An IDF officer once said "If I want to get kill a Palestinian, all I have to do is walk up to him and shake his hand in the street. His fellow Palestinians will do the rest".

As I understand, a lot of their suppliers are mercenaries. It might be possible to suborn some.

 
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FJV       1/2/2008 7:35:37 AM
The Israelis already did that. I've seen in a TV documentary Palestinians saying that Israel sent over tampered ammo, but that they knew how to detect these. And if that is the case, then all you are doing is supplying the Palestinians with raw material for bombs.

Planting dodgy explosives would be more difficult, because that would also endanger the ones on your side doing the selling to Palestinians. Though I do see a market for chemically treating fertilizer so that it becomes unstable when someone attempts to make a bomb with it. (if such a chemical treatment exist)



 
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jastayme3       1/2/2008 5:57:34 PM

The Israelis already did that. I've seen in a TV documentary Palestinians saying that Israel sent over tampered ammo, but that they knew how to detect these. And if that is the case, then all you are doing is supplying the Palestinians with raw material for bombs.

Planting dodgy explosives would be more difficult, because that would also endanger the ones on your side doing the selling to Palestinians. Though I do see a market for chemically treating fertilizer so that it becomes unstable when someone attempts to make a bomb with it. (if such a chemical treatment exist)



Of course they know how to detect them...

"Abdul, don't worry about a thing; the Zionists can't fool us. We know all their tricks..."

Wham!

"Alas poor Abdul. Enjoy your seventy virgins. Any more recruits? None? Oh well, another day fighting for the Jihadist cause."

 
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