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Subject: Message to Shirrush.
Herald12345    12/24/2007 5:31:52 AM
I need some lines of inquiry. Contact me at bintak1234@yahoo,com [garbage drop] Herald
 
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battar    Thirty one   12/24/2007 4:17:26 PM
Why are there 31 views for a post entitled "message for Shirrush" ?
I would have expected one view, and that would be Shirrush. After all, there is nothing here for anyone else.
I only clicked it to post a cynical comment.
 
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Shirrush       12/24/2007 7:11:38 PM
LOL!
 
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BrittleSteel       12/24/2007 10:54:22 PM
Battar Shhhh! I'm spying on Shirrush.
 
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Herald12345    Ninety four and counting.   12/24/2007 11:25:56 PM
I wonder how many more will tune in?  200 or so when it drops off the radar?

Herald

 
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2 Eagle       1/24/2008 5:32:57 PM

I wonder how many more will tune in?  200 or so when it drops off the radar?

Herald


I for one am tuning in Herald.  I tried to reply to Shirush' comment but something is wrong with that thread so I came here. I'm sure he will pick up on it though.
Shirush...you are typically arrogant and a hand -biter of the first order.
Israel would not even be an entity if the US had not supplied it, in its war against Egypt...and kept it supplied ever since. I would like to send your thread to all the American newspapers.
 You are the worst example of an Israeli, or a Jew, whatever you are and a detriment to Israel with your acerbic remarks and ingratitude.
What could you possibly hope to gain by making irresponsible statements about the US, other than less support and a growing animosity?  
 Has Israel been a good experience, in any form, for the US? You have sent at least one spy who was captured and it was the Rosenburgs who were caught selling nuclear secrets to the Russians and since 911 over 60 Israelis in the US have been investigated for spying ( go to Yahoo..enter "Israeli spies in the US) and may even have had previuos information about 911 and withheld it.
Please stuff your disdain of the US and your long suffering BS. I hope we totally disencumber ourselves with Israel because it would be cheaper, we would have fewer enemies and more friends and our kids could stop fighting their wars.
 Israel talks the good fight...better pilots, better tanks, better electronics, better intelligence...hey...you don't need us, go it alone.
 
 
 

 
 
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Herald12345    2 Eagle.   1/24/2008 6:29:22 PM
What started as a contact between two friends, you have just turned into an idiot's thread.

Why did you have to do that?

If you don't agree with Shirrush, say you don't agree, and state why..

He is NOT a cretin. He doesn't lie. He is not an incompetent presenter of fact. He is not a magical thinker. He is not a bigot and he is most definitely not a fool.

So what is YOUR problem with him?

You don't like what he has to say about US policy? Why?

You think he should be grateful for US support? Why?

You think he should give up his Israeli viewpoint on the world? Why?
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Why should he be held to a different standard than say someone from India? Why?

And why should you be upset, if he criticizes particular US policies, which he thinks threatens his nation's survival? Why?

Do you see ME upset?

Read around. If there is someone who has a short fuse when it comes to cretins, I'm the guy.

So what has Shirrush done or said that justifies this vituperation on your part?

You've shown up on my radar here and attracted my interest.

So I ask these questions.

I'm curious as to your answers.

Herald
 
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swhitebull       1/24/2008 10:15:39 PM

What started as a contact between two friends, you have just turned into an idiot's thread.

Why did you have to do that?

If you don't agree with Shirrush, say you don't agree, and state why..

He is NOT a cretin. He doesn't lie. He is not an incompetent presenter of fact. He is not a magical thinker. He is not a bigot and he is most definitely not a fool.

So what is YOUR problem with him?

You don't like what he has to say about US policy? Why?

You think he should be grateful for US support? Why?

You think he should give up his Israeli viewpoint on the world? Why?
.
Why should he be held to a different standard than say someone from India? Why?

And why should you be upset, if he criticizes particular US policies, which he thinks threatens his nation's survival? Why?

Do you see ME upset?

Read around. If there is someone who has a short fuse when it comes to cretins, I'm the guy.

So what has Shirrush done or said that justifies this vituperation on your part?

You've shown up on my radar here and attracted my interest.

So I ask these questions.

I'm curious as to your answers.

Herald

Just read between his lines, Herald, that says it all. Short fuse, perhaps a short tenure as well.
 
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Herald12345    O'm tyrying to tease out a response from 2Eagle.   1/25/2008 2:59:18 AM
I read quite well between the lines-even between the letters; if I have to so read.

I know EXACTLY what I'm doing here, guys, and WHY.

Trust me.

Herald

 
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Herald12345    I also cannot type!   1/25/2008 3:09:57 AM


Herald
 
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Ezekiel    the Oliver Twist alliance   1/25/2008 5:06:25 AM



I wonder how many more will tune in?  200 or so when it drops off the radar?

Herald



I for one am tuning in Herald.  I tried to reply to Shirush' comment but something is wrong with that thread so I came here. I'm sure he will pick up on it though.

Shirush...you are typically arrogant and a hand -biter of the first order.

Israel would not even be an entity if the US had not supplied it, in its war against Egypt...and kept it supplied ever since. I would like to send your thread to all the American newspapers.

 You are the worst example of an Israeli, or a Jew, whatever you are and a detriment to Israel with your acerbic remarks and ingratitude.

What could you possibly hope to gain by making irresponsible statements about the US, other than less support and a growing animosity?  

 Has Israel been a good experience, in any form, for the US? You have sent at least one spy who was captured and it was the Rosenburgs who were caught selling nuclear secrets to the Russians and since 911 over 60 Israelis in the US have been investigated for spying ( go to Yahoo..enter "Israeli spies in the US) and may even have had previuos information about 911 and withheld it.

Please stuff your disdain of the US and your long suffering BS. I hope we totally disencumber ourselves with Israel because it would be cheaper, we would have fewer enemies and more friends and our kids could stop fighting their wars.

 Israel talks the good fight...better pilots, better tanks, better electronics, better intelligence...hey...you don't need us, go it alone.

 

 

 


 


A petulant description motivated by a Juvenile patriotism that would have Israel relegated to sycophant,  vassal,  and a lower assistant to US foreign policy. 

USA does not provide aid (much that goes back into US economy) b/c it feels a sense of compassion for Israel. It provides Israel with the tools in order for it to stabilize a very tough neighborhood, and up until a few years ago Israel did an amazing job of keeping the region somewhat out of chaos.

 I'm not going to go into what Israel returns to the US for its alliance, it would be degrading b/c it is all too obvious for anyone who wishes to inform themselves on the subject, which you haven't done as is clearly demonstrated by your caustic analysis of Israel-US relations when an Israeli shares an honest perspective when it comes to his nations position vis a vis its most important strategic alliance.

If the US, as you speak of it, now only seeks groveling allies that will be its yes man, lacking imagination, principles and is led by events rather then the other way around, surely bodes poorly for the US more then its partners. But I don't think that's it I think it is not about US alliances in general, but Israel in particular for you Eagle, as Sherry Blair once remarked at a dinner party describing Israel with irritation "oh that shitty little country," it is this small little country of Jews that irks you which you won't accept any grumblings from, as if it was a poor ungrateful  little oliver twist....it's time you realize that this small little country is on the front-lines of an ominous, encompassing conflict with islamo-facism. Either you hook it up with everything it needs or retreat and let it find other recourse, but don't diminish what is at stake, by turning it into an affront b/c your friend is not acting pleasantly, and disagrees with decisions that directly effect its national security interests.

Israel won the '48 war without the US, it won in '56  without the stars and stripes, and it won for a 3rd time in '67 without US  backing. It was only in '68 that LBJ and Eshkol formed the alliance we now have today. The point here is that the US only vested itself in Israel when they saw a clear winner, not b/c of it being a democracy, not from some Jewish lobby and certainly not out of compassion...ONLY INTERESTS!
 
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