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Subject: 20th Century Battlefields on the 1973 war - Ceasefire?
cosmoxl_2    12/10/2007 11:05:44 PM
One note in the show has me curious. It says that on October 22 Israel agreed to a ceasefire with Egypt, "but in reality ignored it." What are the real, true details of this?
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battar    Three three eight   12/11/2007 2:34:08 PM
Why not just type the date in the google box?
On 22/10/1973 the UN passed resolution 338 calling for a cease fire.
On 11/11/1973 Israel and Eygypt signed a cease fire agreement.
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cosmoxl_2       12/11/2007 4:12:32 PM
Maybe you don't understand my question.

What I'm saying is that I have a hard time believing that Israel ignored a ceasefire.  What I'm wondering is if something happened that caused Israel to immediately restart the war or something?  The world media is always hostile towards Israel and will basically tell a lie to make Israel look bad.

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aceofw       12/11/2007 6:21:57 PM
After 338 was signed, the IDF found itself on the winning end, but still in dangerous position against the egyptian forces.
In order to change this, the IDF used minor skirmishes as a reason in order to perform some final actions, such as the completion of the surrounding of the egyptian 3rd army, and the failed atack on the city of suez.

Since obviously 338 failed, the UN voted a second ceasefire on the 23 (339).

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sentinel28a       12/11/2007 8:40:55 PM
Sadly, the real true details of this are that the UN calls for ceasefires when the Israelis start winning.  Notice no call for a ceasefire when the Egyptians were isolating the Bar-Lev Line or Syrian tanks were driving on Galilee. 
It's gotten so it's a cliche--"win the war before the UN calls for a ceasefire" is a oft-repeated mantra in Cohen's "Six Days of War."
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jastayme3       12/16/2007 9:42:52 PM

1. Israel was in a bad mood for having Yom Kippur inturrupted suddenly.
It is like America being attacked at the beginning of the Christmas season. Oh wait,
that did happen. Poor Japan.

2. Israel had to end the war with an obvious victory to keep up it's deterrant. In a weird sort of way they were
fighting for "honor" too. Though in that case honor was future survival, which is not unknown among nations and
certainly not in the Middle East.

3. By that time the forces were so tangled up that any ceace-fire was nil as it was necessary to return fire when fired on. Israel certainly took advantage of that. It was "gaming the system" as they say. On the other hand keeping up the inititive was important. If a cease-fire in place was allowed. Israel would have to choose between demobilizing or rotting the economy. The Arabs wouldn't. Once a decisive victory was obtained things were a little different.

Israel honestly did have a desire for revenge. It also had a practical strategic need to bring about a decision. As it happened the military situation was such that this could be achieved without gross perfidy. Though maybe there was a "little" perfidy-Israel is not a nation of saints. However it is best described as "gaming the system". The military situation made Cease-fires difficult. But Israel was hardly sad about it. And the Egyptians have nothing to complain about in any case.

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