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Subject: A language curiousity
jastayme3    12/5/2007 7:46:42 PM
This has nothing to do with military matters and is a minor curiousity. I am curious about a Jewish language format: what is the etymology of the suffixes "im" as in Hassidim, or "niks" as in Kibbutzniks. They are always used in a Jewish context in a collective form to refer to groups of people-in the way which in English the suffixes "men"(I.E. "Englishmen)or "ian"(I.E. Italian)would be used.
 
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jastayme3       12/7/2007 1:35:45 PM
thank you
 
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aceofw       12/11/2007 1:08:59 PM
I'm still around from time to time, currently I have a "regila" (a 5 day leave from the army).
Just don't have anything much to say.
 
 
However, to the theology swhitebull raised:
 
"Brayshit bora elokim  v'aytz hashamyim  vaytz haaretz"
Should better be read:
"bereshit bara elokim et hashama'im ve'et ha'aratz"
 
and while the word "elokim" has the "im" suffix
the previouse  ward "bara" (= created) is clearly singular.
 
further more:
also note that there are other words like "sky" = "shama'im"
or "water" = "ma'im" that end with that suffix.
 
The "im" suffix is also used in words that describe things that cannont be taken apart,
things that retain their essence regardless of the scale\amout\quantity in question.
For example: water are always water, be it a drop or a sea.
 
 
 
 
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battar    Ace off the leash   12/11/2007 2:40:14 PM
So the ace is still around. Brushed the dust off your boots yet? Very dusty in the "greens" isn't it?
 
Ace, what is the plural of "sheep" ?  Same idea. really. The plural version of god, as in "elohim", is obviously a carry-over from a previous multi-theistic society. Not worth splitting hairs about. How is the food in your part of the IDF ?
 
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aceofw       12/11/2007 6:11:01 PM
I wish I had dust, I'm currently in the golan, up to my knee-deep in mud...

You're mixing hebrew and english,
Kivsa = a single sheep
Kvasim = many sheep (or laundry, but that's beside the point)
There isn't, on the other hand, a singular word for water.


 
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aceofw       12/11/2007 6:14:37 PM
Oh, btw, ever since the battalion commander yelled at the kitchen NCO (a guy about 40-50)
that if the food doesn't get better, and fast, he'll (the nco) be staying the weekends to prepare the food personally, it's gotten surprisingly good actually.

 
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Shirrush    aceofw   12/12/2007 3:43:15 AM
Good to read your wisdom again, ace, and to see you're all well and ranting about army life as usual.
Your paza"m, however, is ticking nicely: how long have you got left, and have you done the TC course yo were talking about?
My hypothesis for you deserting this forum, however, was that BHa"d 1's OPSEC policy wouldn't allow you to express yourself on the internet, or something like that...

 
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