That is interesting. Hope you find out more.

It is interesting to note that this was originally intended to discuss the problem with Jewish power, more clearly why Jews have such a problem in exerting it, and more largely why the vast majority of the world finds it unacceptable, and instead it has become a question of divinity.....maybe there is an answer somewhere in that (battar I know it isn't proveable).

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As you can see the logic involved  in hypothesizing is based on ice thin observed data. Nevertheless there is nothing yet AFAIK to absolutely prove/disprove the hypothesis assumptions. One thing you must understand: when I use the term universe, I mean this spacetime. There could be other spacetimes out there. I suggest that possibility in order to explain the process of renormalization, and for the symmetry and uncertainty principles to work as well as explain the winking behavior of electrons we see, all using the standard model for the basis.

I LIKE the standard model and that multiverse explanation for this universe's operators. It works. 

Battar I specifically said that the term "omnipotence"
is defined so as to exclude contradictions. That conclusion was reached
by scholastics hundreds of years ago. Why repeat an asked and answered?
And why do so by boring me with an old chestnut used by professors
to bully inexperienced students?  Show some imagination,  I have already
heard that one before.

I presume he meant that he was annoyed that people should find it odd for Jews to have a Sovereign State
of their own, as other ethnic groups do and find the existance of Israel distasteful.  I don't  think Ezekial  is
implying that he is a Kahaneist. He is I presume saying that European anti-nationalism is rather distasteful
especially when it seems to be applied largely to Israel, even though that is because Israelis are more nationalistic at
the moment. In my experience that is usually what Jews mean when they make complaints like that.
I don't think he means Israel must be governed in the manner of Iran.

For one thing, if Ezekial was a Kahaneist, he would have a hard time getting along with me; for obvious reasons.

If you noticed, the title of this thread is Jewish Soveriegnty... When you quantify Christian power, Islamic power you are discussing religions, and though you are not mistaken that Jewish law has a God component you are not mistaken, but with Jews their is also a national aspect that the above mentions faiths do not have. It is this national aspect which has aroused the new Jew hate of this era. For two thousand years the jews were hated for their faith, today it is anti zionism, it is about Jewish soveriegnty.  You speak of Israel and the IDF as the consummation of power, but the acquisition of power cannot substitute for the exerting of it. What the Jewish generations of 48' bequeathed is not enough.  It seems to me that when it comes to exerting the power,  the Jewish state is hesitant, confused and  unsure when it does exert its power. This is evidenced in the Palestinian aggression, acceptance of the unethical land for peace equation, its refusal to finish its enemy in war, its slavish accordance to US influence etc.

Obviously this starts with the Jewish culture itself that is the midst of a nascent national consciousness that has been out of practice for two millenia. More clearly Jewish culture has been powerless for a long long time and it is just beginning to understand the meaning of power. In the meantime we readily observe a bunch of dilitante leaders making foolish decisions and creating a harsher reality on the ground.

As to your question of what such power is supposed to achieve, well that is the essential question, for me a Jewish guardianship would stand for Jewish interests, what those interests and purposes can be understood by looking at Jewish history, and the beliefs and values that have girded this people throughout human history. In my opinion the Jews have been a beacon of progress in history, Marlon Brando wrote it best in his autobiography that 'One of the great mysteries that has always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts, business and more....They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. Yet their culture survived and Jews became by far the most accomplished people per capita that the world has ever produced.'

As we started with sovereignty I think it right we should conclude that sovereignty is the concept of responsibility, and implicit in the definition of responsibility is the idea of having a degree of power in which such a responsibility rests. Now that there is an IDF it has awakened a new prejudice, that is about denying Israel of exerting its power and in the extreme, against the very idea that Jews should have any power whatsoever. This means that Israel now has to grow up and learn how to exert the power it has enherited from the generations previous that successfully acquired it because this new spirit infused in Jewish Hate is starting to rear its ugly head.

As for Kahane I will just say that he has been proven remarkably accurate in his published writings into what would be if Israel continued in its path...

If you noticed, the title of this thread is Jewish Soveriegnty... When you quantify Christian power, Islamic power you are discussing religions, and though you are not mistaken that Jewish law has a God component you are not mistaken, but with Jews their is also a national aspect that the above mentions faiths do not have. It is this national aspect which has aroused the new Jew hate of this era. For two thousand years the jews were hated for their faith, today it is anti zionism, it is about Jewish soveriegnty.  You speak of Israel and the IDF as the consummation of power, but the acquisition of power cannot substitute for the exerting of it. What the Jewish generations of 48' bequeathed is not enough.  It seems to me that when it comes to exerting the power,  the Jewish state is hesitant, confused and  unsure when it does exert its power. This is evidenced in the Palestinian aggression, acceptance of the unethical land for peace equation, its refusal to finish its enemy in war, its slavish accordance to US influence etc.

Obviously this starts with the Jewish culture itself that is the midst of a nascent national consciousness that has been out of practice for two millenia. More clearly Jewish culture has been powerless for a long long time and it is just beginning to understand the meaning of power. In the meantime we readily observe a bunch of dilitante leaders making foolish decisions and creating a harsher reality on the ground.

As to your question of what such power is supposed to achieve, well that is the essential question, for me a Jewish guardianship would stand for Jewish interests, what those interests and purposes can be understood by looking at Jewish history, and the beliefs and values that have girded this people throughout human history. In my opinion the Jews have been a beacon of progress in history, Marlon Brando wrote it best in his autobiography that 'One of the great mysteries that has always puzzled me is how Jews, who account for such a tiny fraction of the world's population, have been able to achieve so much and excel in so many different fields - science, music, medicine, literature, arts, business and more....They are an amazing people. Imagine the persecution they endured over the centuries: pogroms, temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of families, their dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. Yet their culture survived and Jews became by far the most accomplished people per capita that the world has ever produced.'

As we started with sovereignty I think it right we should conclude that sovereignty is the concept of responsibility, and implicit in the definition of responsibility is the idea of having a degree of power in which such a responsibility rests. Now that there is an IDF it has awakened a new prejudice, that is about denying Israel of exerting its power and in the extreme, against the very idea that Jews should have any power whatsoever. This means that Israel now has to grow up and learn how to exert the power it has enherited from the generations previous that successfully acquired it because this new spirit infused in Jewish Hate is starting to rear its ugly head.

As for Kahane I will just say that he has been proven remarkably accurate in his published writings into what would be if Israel continued in its path...