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Subject: Something to Think About in these Times of Peril to Israel and the Rise of AntiSemitism
swhitebull    10/25/2007 9:53:45 PM
I wrote this several years ago, and out family has been using it at our Seders. I you like, please feel free to pass it around your friends: WHO ARE WE? Who Are We? We are Jews - born in Hardship, formed by History, strengthened by Adversity, molded by Tradition, armed with Torah, tempered by Knowledge, clad in Scholarship, made invincible by Freedom. We are a tribe of the city and of the field, of the desert and of the battleground. We are a people whose sons and daughters will endure as long as the spirit of the Lord and of Freedom beats in our hearts. Who Are We? We are Jews. To be a Jew is to throw off the shackles and chains of slavery, and to let your mind run free and naked wherever it would go. To be a Jew is to stand ALONE against the everpresent and overwhelming forces of Hatred, and to know you will NEVER let that HATRED pass. To be a Jew is to hold your youngest child in your arms, and to unashamedly let tears of Joy and Beauty course down your cheeks. To be a Jew is to live life to its fullest during the day, then to walk in fear and wonder along the paths of Tradition set forth by our forebears to touch the Lord at our sacred times. Who Are We? We are Jews. We were born of the Lord's Thunder at Sinai, and like the winds, have scattered to the four corners of the Earth. We are a proud people, descendants of Abraham and Sarah, children of Jacob, oath-takers of Moses, who delivered us from bondage and brought us Torah. We make mistakes, but we are always responsible for our actions, and we never give up. If we cause harm, we fix it, because that is the Lord's way. Who Are We? We are Jews . We are a FREE people - leader and follower, teacher and student, merchant and artisan, builder and creator, from the lowest to the highest. We seek knowledge, wisdom, justice, generosity, honor, courage and, above all - Freedom. We live by the strength of our wits and our arms in a hostile World, and succeed by the blessings of our family and community. Who Are We? We are Jews. We are all naked at birth, and we follow our fate as the winds of Sinai blow, whether that be philosopher or king, lover or warrior. We all have mud between our toes, and even a king must sweat and groan before the plow. Who Are We? We Are Jews - born in Hardship, formed by History, strengthened by Adversity, molded by Tradition, armed with Torah, tempered by Knowledge, clad in Scholarship, made invincible by Freedom. We are a tribe of the city and of the field, of the desert and of the battleground. We are a people whose sons and daughters will endure as long as the spirit of the Lord and of Freedom beats in our hearts Who are We? We are Jews. And we will endure. swhitebull
 
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aceofw    swhitebull   1/5/2008 6:23:09 PM
Than does this means I'm not Jewish, swhitebull?
 
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jastayme3       1/5/2008 9:54:14 PM

Than does this means I'm not Jewish, swhitebull?

America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave even though some Americans are incarcerated convicts and
others are cowards(not that you are either of course). Dissecting poetry is of limited usefulness. If you don't identify with this
description, that is fine. But that is how swhitebull imagines Jewry. It is an idealization, but none the worse for that as that was it's intended to be.

 
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Barca       1/9/2008 2:24:37 PM


Would you say there is a "rise" in anti-semitism? When did it fall?
I have a problem figuring out what he meant by that too. 
Rise in anti-Semitism?  As opposed to the previous century when there was so little of it?

 
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jastayme3       1/10/2008 5:20:30 PM




Would you say there is a "rise" in anti-semitism? When did it fall?

I have a problem figuring out what he meant by that too. 
Rise in anti-Semitism?  As opposed to the previous century when there was so little of it?


I think he means, as opposed to a temporary decline in the last couple of generations. It is not quite as respectable
as it once was to display it openly. For instance someone who claims to be a Nazi is likly to be given some variation
of jeers, ridicule or indignation. And even avowed Nazis play that part down. I once read one say, "Hitler didn't really know what was going on". Which shows, even he was embarrassed.
A country where the first musical to pass the 3,000 performance mark is Fiddler on the Roof, and where A Stranger Among Us gets five and a half stars out of ten on the Internet Movie Database has some claim to have reduced it's anti-semitism.
But then that only refers to America. Which never had institutionalized anti-semitism enshrined in law, and had less of the unofficial kind in any case.
As far as other countries go, Europe probably had some reduction. Arabs seem to have increased. I heard somewhere that there is both Japanese antisemitism and philo semitism which is rather odd.
In any case there does seem to have been a net reduction for a couple of generations. But in some circles it is becoming a respectable vice again.


 
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jastayme3       1/11/2008 4:45:35 PM

 One thing I am still curious about is that often the same stereotypes are given to Jews by different people but percieved
in a positive and negative manner depending on the person. For instance one says "enterpriseing" another says "money-grubing" or one says "clannish" and another says "takes good care of their own". 

 
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flamingknives       1/11/2008 5:23:57 PM
Your truth depends greatly upon your point of view.

On one hand Israel is the right of an oppressed people to stand alone in their own land.
On the other it's a land grab by terrorists.

The odd thing is both and neither can be true simulataneously.

With the caveat that I don't know any orthodox jews personally, my perception is that Jewish populations in Europe tend to be somewhat insular - they keep themselves apart and are therefore always seen as "other", which makes them a convenient target when manipulators wish to stir up trouble or blame problems on someone. The "others" are always harder to empathise with as you have less common ground. I have to admit that I'm less than comfortable with the concept of "Gentile" though.
 
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2 Eagle       1/17/2008 10:23:17 AM




Would you say there is a "rise" in anti-semitism? When did it fall?

I have a problem figuring out what he meant by that too. 
Rise in anti-Semitism?  As opposed to the previous century when there was so little of it?



I think you both missed the sublety. My view is that he meant that antisemitism was always there at a level that never decreased. "When did it fall"?
 
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Ezekiel       1/17/2008 3:12:18 PM
sartre's "anti-semitsm and Jew" gives an apt description of the cultural desease... I found it most inciteful. If anyone has read it please tell me your impressions....if you haven't I highly recommend.
 
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jastayme3       6/11/2008 6:20:23 PM

Hey, I was joking, I have nothing against Californians, in fact I do like the ones I know, and even some I don't really know, and I even miss HtJ sometimes...
I'm also fairly pro-tiger, in any case I'm a rather feline-friendly person. I don't really understand Herald's point here, as I think this rather horrifying, sad freak accident is not a good example of the "us against them" human solidarity principle. It is clear that the poor beast had to be shot, and the cop that pulled the trigger probably saved a few more lives doing this, but the tiger threat on mankind is a rather minor one these days, especially for those of us apes that do not happen to live in the Sundarbans. The opposite does not hold true, and the tiger is the emblematic endangered species for a very good reason.

I also had to go to the Wiki to find out what "MS-13" means. Well, they're a bunch of bad guys, but I don't think that killing them, or anybody else for that matter, solves anything. Such people might provide Herald, however, with enough self-defense situations to justify his point, so I do not feel inclined to argue with him about that.
If the  species identity thing wasn't real , movies such as Independence Day wouldn't be blockbusters. My point is that the opportunities to apply human solidarity in the face of a non-human enemy are few and far between, and because of that this solidarity does not apply to a majority of the conflict situations we're facing every day. It's a pity, but that's the way it is, and I'd give an arm and a leg to join the war against malaria or against onchocercosis, but they're telling me that even the rank-and-file in these front line units must have a PhD. Oh well...

Oh yeah, well I have something against Californians! California is an insult to the Earth and must be punished for it's many
sins among the most grevious of which are making awful movies and having lukewarm tapwater!

 
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