Well shirrush we are starting to get somewhere, but I still feel there is a ways to go.

The talmud is oral because it is supposed to be adaptive, it brings the written law into its time, thus the talmud is called "the living torah" best example i can come up with is that the written law is like the one's and zero's the binary code that is the basic template of all computer software. The Talmud is like windows taking the one's and the zero's and making it applicable for use to live by it in every age.

Now I agree that there is a progressive strain within judaism, but it is done through traditional mechanisms (these being the problem with conservatism & reform). The talmud has basically not been alive for centuries due to the exile and affliction. As for stoning and the priests, these are talmudic questions that by the way you so casually disregarded these principles and institutions as mere barbarism speaks of ignorance. I will just say this, that according to rashi and other great jewish scholarship, the punishment of stoning was only done in a jewish   nation-state with a temple in existence. This being that in such a circumstance god would be revealed to the people and thus if one would breaks the law in full knowledge of the existence of a divinity then he shall be stoned by the community.

As for the messiah , from my study, it is a central Jewish belief.... as long as this belief is balanced with all the other laws and statutes in the torah. Where man lives today for today but may still have hope for the morrow then i don't think it is wise to cast such a man aside as being a lunatic b/c he believes in man who is a savior of men. If he becomes obsessed by the concept and narrowly guided by it, this may lead to problems, at least if it is part of a political ideology. BUT, and yes there is a but, you label the settler enterprise as contaminated by this messianism, and this is wholly innaccurate. They believe that Judea and shomron is Jewish land, and far from it being occupied it is for the Jew a liberated land....and the Arabs on it are mere squatters. They derive there justifications from the bible and yes i'm sure they believe in the messiah but they are not following a false messiah but actually settling their land to usher in a messianic age, and there is nothing wrong with that from both  a jewish tradition as well as for nation building standpoint. Again believing in the torah and having faith should not be your political profiler of who is sound and who is not, who is wise and who is not....it is ignorant and speaks of secular prejudices. The real question is how such a judaica political ideology, in its specifics become operationable. how it see's nation building, how it views democracy, how it views diplomacy, how it regards the relationship between state and citizen, it's economic model??? these are the type of questions that should be asked a party or movement that accepts the authority of the torah.

Apart from this being a topic on Lieberman and a lack of real conservatism in Israel culture that has effectively skewed the debate and commentary on such a topic...... J-man there is clearly a large gulf between Judaica and christianity beyond just the topic of Jesus.

A self identified jew that is an athiest are two entirely thing someone who believes in a different faith. A jew that recognized his tradition but refutes the metaphysical idea that surrounds the tradition is confused but at the same time far more acceptable then some one who denies the religous/culture of the jews and has replaced it with entirely different value system.

Judaism isn't really supposed to be an 'ism' it is more in the definition of a culture then a religion. The actual word judaism comes from the root Judah, a tribe of ancient israel that the majority of jews are descended from (there is also levites, and binyaminites), though due to the long Jewish exile it became an 'ism.' The jew is unique in this regard b/c it is both a particular people and a particular faith.  There faith is a religion of history and therefore a jew who may not believe in god,  can for example, still celebrate passover and though it is completely infused with faith there is still the other cultural aspects in which he can still participate in. calling it judaism is synonymous to saying there is such a thing as Navahoism. there is a sort of tribal aspect to jewish identity meaning that a jew is one who has a jewish mother and no matter what he does or says he will always be a jew. One can be excommunicated from the tribe, rejected by the community but he wil always be a jew, just considered a bad one. One can convert, but once your initiated into the tribe your in for good. I find the question of Jewish Identity to be one of the most misunderstood abstractions today in academia, and i observe that Jews are some of the most confused about it then anyone. Having conversations with some of my Jewish friends and experiences in Israel-, one becomes astonished at the  ignorance and apathy regarding their own identity.

The jews for jesus is an entirely separate idea and this not about jewish dialectics within a culture...this is another belief system that though i'm sure has many features derived and influenced from and by judaica, but simply not judaica, and the majority of its adherents are not Jewish. These two factors are crucial points of departure that make a seperation

Won't work. If  you say belief must be chosen for loyalties sake you are really demanding that others lie for you. Atheism is pretty obviously forbidden(the fool has said in his heart there is no God). Claiming ones founder as the Messiah is not and Hassidics and Lubavitchers do that. And other peoples gods has nothing to do with it-no one is claiming Jesus is an idol, the claim is that he is God-Israel's God but also everyones. Either that is right or wrong. And the fact that gentiles happen to be fond of Him is a mere historical event. 
And to answer the obvious retort yes I would be annoyed if a Christian became a Moslem-if he did so because a terrorist threatened to kill him. If he did so because he really believed in being a Moslem it would be sad but between him and God.
A religion must base it's beliefs on what it believes. If it is based on tribal cohesion it is putting a second thing before a first and becoming an identity group, not a religion. Yet the main arguments I have gotten  are  tribal,  not theological.  Which  seems  to indicate that this is not being taken seriously. If this is a fair sample then I must sadly conclude that the Jewish people are more concerned with being Jewish then with any purpose Judaiism can have. Or to put it in a more dramatic way, they really love each other more then they love God. Hardly the worst fault and I  cannot say I wouldn't have been guilty. But it is a fault and it renders debate poinless.

 And before offense is taken at all that I might mention two things. One is "Faithful is the rebuke of a friend" and I did mean it in that fashion even if it is not recieved that way.

The other is that the Bible(including the Old Testament) says things to the Jewish people that are far beyond anything I would dare and sounds remarkably like a drill sergeant shouting at the bizzbuzzes*. And they Old Testament can't be called anti-semetic.

 That was a very harsh thing I just said and I do want to be wrong-could someone try to prove it?

You missed the point J-man, concentrating your analytic concerning your theology and dogmatically disregarding the main idea. You 're getting a bit snappy which betrays hubris.

I did not say that an athiest is considered a positive thing in Jewish society, what I was trying to get across was that if he is Jewish by descent then he is a bad jew, but still a jew due to the peopleness aspect within Jewish identity. Being a person that may believes in the old testement and accepts jesus christ as his lord & savior and isn't jewish by decent is not jewish and doesn't believe in the Jewish faith. Though his values may be spiritual then the athiest, he still is not jewish or part of its congregation and neither should he be. The athiest on the other hand depending on how disruptive he is to the community may be excommunicated, but even then he does not lose his jewish root. Every Jew is considered to be a descendent from abraham, Isaac, Jacob and therefore accorded certain rights which a god fearing non jew does not have.

For the Jews, they believe in a covenant a type of fellowship with god, christians wants to fuse man with god. The bible is an account and history of gods chosen people, the jews are supposed to perfect a society from the torah and through that be an example to the world. Therefore the jews consider the tribal aspect to be quite important b/c the jewish people have a supposed divine mission as a people. For them the tribal aspect is as important as the faith, though the faith justifies the people, the people may in turn justify the faith. The talmud is a perfect example of this 'fellowshi

No it wasn't hubris, it was shock at the thought that you might believe something for reasons other then that you believe it. That always seemed to me to be dishonesty. I am therefore relieved that in fact there is more to it.

Honestly Ease, I was worried. And if that made me impertinent I really am sorry.

don't sweat it. understandable, communicating on a forum isn't easy.