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Subject: What would it take for quitters to support the war?
sofa    3/14/2007 3:02:41 PM
I have a question for those who would quit the war in Iraq. What would it take to get your support? How about AQ declaring it the centerpiece in their war on terror? How about it being the strategic linchpin to US strategy in the GWOT? Not against AQ? Not for the US? Would it be easier if there were many less casualties that WWII, Korea, Vietnam? Or does it have to be painless, easy to summarize in a 30 second news bite, and over before you feel any real effects from it? Or does it have to have all the 'right people', the old 'communist internationale', the 'fashionable intelligencia' telling you it's ok? Just wondering.
 
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Herc the Merc    sofa u r an absolute genius   3/14/2007 3:30:17 PM
U give us the solution for Shias and Sunnis to live together in peace and u can do what u want. Remeber this clampdown is temporary and has worked becoz one side (Sadrs militia) has voluntarily backed down. If  solve the Shia Sunni conflict u also get a $billion in ur swiss bank account, but if u don't.......u get a bill; fair??
 
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sofa       3/14/2007 3:55:52 PM
What if it's in our strategic interest to have the sunnis and shias decimate one another?
 
There, I said it.
 
 
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BadNews       3/14/2007 4:28:03 PM

What if it's in our strategic interest to have the sunnis and shias decimate one another?

 

There, I said it.

 


Forget Sofa, the Merc only sees things in NYSE terms, a startegist he is not
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       3/14/2007 4:32:17 PM
well, short of an Iran invasion, clearly visible and indisputable signs of oil wealth spreading around the country.
Of course, that is why Iran won't directly attack and why insurgents are hitting the pipe networks.

Also, having united tribal, Shia and Sunni leaders come to Congress and ask the US to maintain order would be big.

 
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Plutarch       3/14/2007 4:41:46 PM

I have a question for those who would quit the war in Iraq. What would it take to get your support?

How about AQ declaring it the centerpiece in their war on terror?
How about it being the strategic linchpin to US strategy in the GWOT?

Not against AQ? Not for the US?

Would it be easier if there were many less casualties that WWII, Korea, Vietnam?

Or does it have to be painless, easy to summarize in a 30 second news bite, and over before you feel any real effects from it?

Or does it have to have all the 'right people', the old 'communist internationale', the 'fashionable intelligencia' telling you it's ok?

Just wondering.

 
Simple Answer:
 
Get the Iraqi people to support democracy and stop killing one another, and I'm back on board.
 
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eu4ea       3/14/2007 5:20:49 PM

I have a question for those who would quit the war in Iraq. What would it take to get your support?

How about AQ declaring it the centerpiece in their war on terror?
How about it being the strategic linchpin to US strategy in the GWOT?

Not against AQ? Not for the US?

Would it be easier if there were many less casualties that WWII, Korea, Vietnam?

Or does it have to be painless, easy to summarize in a 30 second news bite, and over before you feel any real effects from it?

Or does it have to have all the 'right people', the old 'communist internationale', the 'fashionable intelligencia' telling you it's ok?

Just wondering.

Sure, no problem:

1- Undisputable physical proof that Iraq had large-scale supplies of WMD, as we were told they did
Some "Niger Yellowcake" would do nicely.  Or significant nuclear facilities of any kind.  Or some of those famous "mobile bioweapons labs".  Or perhaps a cache of Anthrax. (Note: turning up a few forgotten &inactive mustard gas shells left over from the Iran-Iraq war does *not* qualify), and

2- A clear, realistic and timely plan for achieving a post-war situation that is not just sort of OK, but distinctly better than the pre-war situation. Say a flourishing liberal democracy in the heart of the middle east, something like that, and

3- A clear, realistic and timely plan to use local oil revenues (rather than US taxpayer money) to rebuild the country

To make it perfect, I'd also like to see clear and incontrovertible proof that our involvment in Iraq is decreasing (rather than radically increasing) the influence of radical Islam in the area - but I'd settle for just the first 3.

Heart,

eu4ea
 
 
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scuttlebut steve       3/14/2007 6:08:49 PM

What if it's in our strategic interest to have the sunnis and shias decimate one another?

 

There, I said it.

 


If thats the case, then we should leave so they can do it faster, playing referee for 2 sides you would rather see kill each other off doesnt make much sense.  As far as AQ, just because they declare victory if we cant control sunni vs shiite violence doesnt mean it is one.  Arent these the same loons who declared hurricane katrina as a victory for AQ?  we would probably have just as much or more success against AQ if we spent a fraction of the money that went into the invasion and occupation on a massive buildup of our intelligence agencies.
JUST A THOUGHT BUT....
What if we used the military to protect iraq's oil fields, wells, refineries, pipelines, the port, and the tankers and let the iraqis work out their own problems, with our military presence used to prevent iran from making military moves in iraq...give the iraqi government their cut of profits minus a "freedom fee" and whatever governing body survives is irrelevent because we still have the old/new government by the balls for the forseeable future.
 
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xylene       3/14/2007 6:17:45 PM
The Iraqis snitched on one another for decades to the point Saddam had an iron grip on the country. Now they clam up and remain silent, allow terrorists and insurgents to live among them while carrying out attacks against our troops.
 
I would like to see some geniune positive cooperation from the Iraqis. If they truly wanted to help us and and started blabbering where all these dudes were it would be a good start to eradicating the insurgency.
 
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Pseudonym       3/14/2007 9:23:55 PM
"What would it take to get your support?"

The answer is simple.  They need a Democratic President to lie to them, otherwise they get tired of fighting and quit.
 
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sentinel28a       3/15/2007 4:46:13 AM
1) You seem to have missed the big WMD that was Saddam Hussein.  But I forgot, he didn't kill too many Americans, so what he did to his own people was okay.
 
2) Took us awhile to achieve a liberal democracy.  I think asking a country where democracy has never existed to become Dubuque, Iowa in four years is a pretty tall order for any country.
 
3) Well, they're talking oil revenue sharing now, so it seems that part of your agenda is on the table.
 
See, here's the problem.  You want complete, incontrovertible proof.  In other words, 500 gallons of sarin mounted on an atomic bomb inscribed "To GW With Love, Saddam" would not be enough--after all, someone might have forged the message.  Me, on the other hand, I'm quite satisfied with seeing Saddam swing. That's enough WMD prevention for me.
 
 
 
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