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Subject: Democrats Mull Trying to Cap Iraq Troops Levels
EW3    1/6/2007 7:23:09 PM
from the NYSlimes I wonder if congress remembers that it does not control foreign policy? Or are we going back to the bad old days of the war powers act? January 5, 2007 Democrats Mull Trying to Cap Iraq Troops Levels By REUTERS Filed at 4:47 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Congress could possibly limit the number of U.S. troops in Iraq by forcing President George W. Bush to seek approval from lawmakers for additional deployments, a top Democratic senator said on Friday. Assistant Senate Majority Leader Richard Durbin said that was just one of several options before Democrats, who took over control of both the House and Senate this week from Bush's Republicans. Top Democrats, including Durbin, said the party would not seek to cut funding of troops already there because that could undermine their safety. But with Bush considering an increase in the number of U.S. forces in Iraq, Durbin told reporters he and fellow Democrats have discussed trying to cap the number there as a potential option. Asked how, Durbin said, ``It could be legislation that requires the president to come for congressional approval for troops over a certain level.'' ``I'm not telling you that is where we will end up, but there are a lot of things on the table,'' Durbin said after a closed-door meeting of fellow Democrats preparing for the new 110th Congress that convened on Thursday. To pass such legislation in the Senate, Democrats would need the support of a number of Republicans. Democrats control the Senate, holding 51 of 100 seats. But 60 votes would be needed to end a possible procedural roadblock. Durbin acknowledged bipartisan support would be needed, but said, ``if you notice there are more and more Republicans who are starting to have second thoughts about the president's policy.'' Earlier Friday, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid and House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi wrote to Bush urging him not to deploy additional troops but rather begin a phased withdrawal. Democrats intend to fan already mounting public opposition to the Iraq war next week with the first of a series of congressional hearings on Bush's prosecution of it.
 
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AFA2007       1/6/2007 8:08:36 PM
They have tp do something, even if it's farting in the wind.

John Edwards can start throwing rocks at his Democratic rivals in Congress if they don't make some noise about incrraseing troop levels at all.

Realistically, are there many who don't believe the Democratic nominee in 2008 will be the next president?

Remember, I said believe - not wishful thinking that McCain can win. 
 
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shek       1/6/2007 8:36:08 PM
Congress won't pass anything on Iraq that can fend off a veto.  Democrats may be able to eek out a 50-49 vote in the Senate and whatever their majority is in the House on Iraq, maybe a handful of republicans will even join them, but is there anything that will pass with a 2/3rds majority?  Troop limits?  No.  Funding limits?  No.  Sorry, but American public opinion is nowhere near the point to where the GOP has to surrender to the Democrats over the strategic direction in Iraq.
 
Before one harkens back to try and cite Vietnam as an analogy, just think about how long Nixon escalated action in Vietnam while withdrawing, add in Watergate, and other imperial Presidential actions, including continued defiance, and only then did you have a Legislative vs. Executive battle where the power of the purse was brought into play.   
 
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shek       1/6/2007 8:40:08 PM

Realistically, are there many who don't believe the Democratic nominee in 2008 will be the next president?

Remember, I said believe - not wishful thinking that McCain can win. 

A Democrat will need national security to win, and in their effort to pander to the Democratic base and differentiate themselves to win the Democratic primary, they will drive away independent voters.  Unlike 2006, Democrats will not be able to run an "against Bush" platform in 2008. 
 
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EW3       1/6/2007 11:24:41 PM
Shek is right on target. 
 
But I will add that if the Dems bring back the war powers resolution of 73 they are toast.
Most of what the dems have done so far is going to hurt them.  The can not be true to their core consituency and not alienate the rest of the country.  Harry the perjuror has already gone from supporting a surge of troops to not supporting a surge.  Guess olf Harry the fraud wants to just stay the course....
 
   
 
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