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Subject: Captain Jamil Hussein, Where Are You ?
swhitebull    1/3/2007 4:54:33 PM
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EW3       1/4/2007 12:46:52 AM
61 articles by the AP from this guy who does not exist!  And 23 stories by Lt. Maithem Abdul Razzaq
who has a warrant out for impersonating a government official. this is part of an even larger fabric of lies.
"Captain Jamil Hussein" is but one of 14 Iraqi-sounding names of sources quoted by AP that U.S. military officials say cannot be verified as credible sources.
But then again I'm sure the AP knows better about what is going on in Iraq than CENTCOM.  Press people are omniscient.  They know more about the truth than anyone. Just like Peter Arnett got the truth from Baghdad Bob and his employers, and even further back he got the straight skinny from uncle Ho and the boys.  (actuall Arnett was the Ho) 
May these press vermin who lie die a slow painful death for all the hurt they have brought to the men that have died and their families due to their actions.  I'd be happy to discuss the geopolitical meaning of the Vietnam experience, including operation Tailwind with Peter anytime.  No marques of queensbury rules involved.
 
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Panther       1/4/2007 1:16:53 AM

61 articles by the AP from this guy who does not exist!  And 23 stories by Lt. Maithem Abdul Razzaq

who has a warrant out for impersonating a government official. this is part of an even larger fabric of lies.

"Captain Jamil Hussein" is but one of 14 Iraqi-sounding names of sources quoted by AP that U.S. military officials say cannot be verified as credible sources.

But then again I'm sure the AP knows better about what is going on in Iraq than CENTCOM.  Press people are omniscient.  They know more about the truth than anyone. Just like Peter Arnett got the truth from Baghdad Bob and his employers, and even further back he got the straight skinny from uncle Ho and the boys.  (actuall Arnett was the Ho) 

May these press vermin who lie die a slow painful death for all the hurt they have brought to the men that have died and their families due to their actions.  I'd be happy to discuss the geopolitical meaning of the Vietnam experience, including operation Tailwind with Peter anytime.  No marques of queensbury rules involved.

 

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BTW... didn't they find Peter Arnett in the spider-hole with Saddam, or was that just a life-sized blow-up sex doll in Peter's likeness that they found him with?
 
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Pseudonym       1/4/2007 7:54:01 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_jamil_hussein_1

Well they finally found Jamil Hussein, now we can get around to asking him some questions.

Seems the Iraqi Government isn't very happy with him as he is now under arrest, guess they don't like it when police officers tell the AP stories that were shall we say, ever so kindly, embellished.  Or perhaps exaggerated fits better?  Hyperbolize maybe?

Oh what the hell, let's just call a spade a spade and call him a liar.

I hope he enjoys telling tall tales in jail.

 
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Plutarch       1/4/2007 8:09:22 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070104/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_jamil_hussein_1

Well">link they finally found Jamil Hussein, now we can get around to asking him some questions.

Seems the Iraqi Government isn't very happy with him as he is now under arrest, guess they don't like it when police officers tell the AP stories that were shall we say, ever so kindly, embellished.  Or perhaps exaggerated fits better?  Hyperbolize maybe?

Oh what the hell, let's just call a spade a spade and call him a liar.

I hope he enjoys telling tall tales in jail.



Khalaf offered no explanation Thursday for why the ministry had initially denied Hussein's existence, other than to state that its first search of records failed to turn up his full name. He also declined to say how long the ministry had known of its error and why it had made no attempt in the past six weeks to correct the public record.

Hussein was not the original source of the disputed report of the attack; the account was first told on Al-Arabiya satellite television by a Sunni elder, Imad al-Hashimi, who retracted it after members of the Defense Ministry paid him a visit. Several neighborhood residents subsequently gave the AP independent accounts of the Shiite militia attack on a mosque in which six people were set on fire and killed.

Khalaf told the AP that an arrest warrant had been issued for the captain for having contacts with the media in violation of the ministry's regulations.

Hussein told the AP on Wednesday that he learned the arrest warrant would be issued when he returned to work on Thursday after the Eid al-Adha holiday. His phone was turned off Thursday and he could not be reached for further comment.

Hussein appears to have fallen afoul of a new Iraqi push, encouraged by some U.S. advisers, to more closely monitor the flow of information about the country's violence, and strictly enforce regulations that bar all but authorized spokesmen from talking to media.
 
His first contacts with the AP were in 2004, when the current Interior Ministry and its press apparatus was still being formed out of the chaotic remains of the Saddam-era ministry.

The information he provided about various police incidents was never called into question until he became embroiled in the attempt to discredit the AP story about the Hurriyah mosque attack.
 
On Thursday, Khalaf told AP that the ministry at first had searched its files for Jamil Hussein and found no one. He said a later search turned up Capt. Jamil Gholaiem Hussein, assigned to the Khadra police station.

But the AP had already identified the captain by all three names in a story on Nov. 28-- two days before the Interior Ministry publicly denied his existence on the police rolls.

Khalaf did not say whether the U.S. military had ever been told that Hussein in fact exists. Garver, the U.S. military spokesman, said Thursday that he was not aware that the military had ever been told.

Khalaf said Thursday that with the arrest of Hussein for breaking police regulations against talking to reporters, the AP would be called to identify him in a lineup as the source of its story.

Should the AP decline to assist in the identification, Khalaf said, the case against Hussein would be dropped. He also said there were no plans to pursue action against the AP should it decline.
 
Nothing abot being a liar, the AP may decline to  identify him to prevent him from going to jail...thoguh I doubt they would use him again as a source.  The real question you should be asking is why did the Iraqi government cover up the mosque attack?  And the second question you should ask is why do you guys fall for what right-wing bloggers (who do "research") tell you?

 
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Pseudonym       1/4/2007 8:41:06 PM
"Nothing abot being a liar, the AP may decline to  identify him to prevent him from going to jail...thoguh I doubt they would use him again as a source.  The real question you should be asking is why did the Iraqi government cover up the mosque attack?  And the second question you should ask is why do you guys fall for what right-wing bloggers (who do "research") tell you?"

Obviously you don't know why everyone wanted to find Jamil Hussein in the first place. It seems the Iraqi's and Americans investigated his story on the burnings, and guess what, he lied.  That's where the lying comes from, and THAT is why he is now in jail.
 
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Panther       1/4/2007 9:06:35 PM

 

Nothing abot being a liar, the AP may decline to  identify him to prevent him from going to jail...thoguh I doubt they would use him again as a source.  The real question you should be asking is why did the Iraqi government cover up the mosque attack?  And the second question you should ask is why do you guys fall for what right-wing bloggers (who do "research") tell you?




Actually, from most reports of what i've read, most of what he had passed on were reported as fact's by the AP, even though they were in actuality unconfirmed report's. Does that make him a liar? By my standard's yes. Especially... when earlier stories of larger attacks against mosque's and civillians are turning out to be greatly exaggerated and sensationalized new's pieces.
 
I haven't seen anything yet that they The (IIM) tried to cover up the mosque attack's. Do you mean that they tried too cover up the existence of Capt. Hussein? I seriously doubt it, seeing that the Iraqi state is in the process of putting itself together after several decades of Saddam's corrupt rule. They shouldn't be let off the hook in overlooking his name, however... this should be an impetus to the interior ministry of getting itself more efficiently organized in it's tracking & record keeping of government employee's, especially in a muslim state where Arabic names are easily mixed up due to the conventions! I'm just glad they found him, so we can get better confirmation on the 5 - 6 dozen report's attributed too him and why so much of what he said were greatly exaggerated!
 
Also it's not that we fall for what they say. It's becuase of the power of the internet where people can share and pass on information and even research it for themseleves, in which, is the real allure of reading the blog's themseleves! On the other hand... just trusting in printed new's isn't good enough anymore, primarily when all they do is re-publish each other's work, with all the multitudes of uncorrected error's still in place and any retraction of their mistakes is hard too come by. Might as well be getting your teeth pulled, instead of complaining about all of their inaccuracies to the news agencies themseleves. The experience is the same and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth!
 
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Plutarch       1/4/2007 9:22:19 PM
Obviously you don't know why everyone wanted to find Jamil Hussein in the first place. It seems the Iraqi's and Americans investigated his story on the burnings, and guess what, he lied.  That's where the lying comes from, and THAT is why he is now in jail.
 
Or he exposed a cover-up.  As it said in the report he wasn't the first to "break" that story and the AP got independent confirmation of the attack from residents, who later retracted after Defense officials paid them all a "visit".  It doesn't look good for the Iraqi government to have Shiites burn Sunnis alive, and what would Hussein have to gain by making up such a story?  He doesn't gain any particular fame from it, he risked imprisonment and retaliations by Shiites, he has been in the police force for three years and had his name in print for over a year so the Iraqi government had ample time to investigate him for ties to Sunni insurgents.
 
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Plutarch    Panther Response   1/4/2007 9:53:03 PM

I haven't seen anything yet that they The (IIM) tried to cover up the mosque attack's. Do you mean that they tried too cover up the existence of Capt. Hussein?

 

No I mean they didn’t report the mosque as being attacked in November.  A Sunni imam, the good captain, and multiple residents stated the mosque was attacked, each independent of the other.  It could be that they were all lying, and indeed most of the statements were retracted after “visits”.

 

I'm just glad they found him, so we can get better confirmation on the 5 - 6 dozen report's attributed too him and why so much of what he said were greatly exaggerated!

 

Show me the other reports that were “greatly exaggerated” according to the news article the AP has been using Hussein since 2004, and he proved reliable in their view.

 

 

Also it's not that we fall for what they say. It's becuase of the power of the internet where people can share and pass on information and even research it for themseleves, in which, is the real allure of reading the blog's themseleves! On the other hand... just trusting in printed new's isn't good enough anymore, primarily when all they do is re-publish each other's work, with all the multitudes of uncorrected error's still in place and any retraction of their mistakes is hard too come by. Might as well be getting your teeth pulled, instead of complaining about all of their inaccuracies to the news agencies themseleves. The experience is the same and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth!

 

I’m not saying that the news media is perfect, they definitely have their problems, but there are checks on the newspapers…a good newspaper has editors and fact checkers who should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.   Everything should be sourced in a newspaper except the editorials and the funny pages.  Blogs on the other hand, don’t always have those brakes.  Curt at Flopping Aces (a policeman, and no obvious training in journalism) questions the AP source for the mosque attack story, Michelle Malkin picks it up, and runs with it, AllahPundit, Confederate Yankee, and Instapundit link to the story, and finally Eason Jordan sends a search party to find Hussein.  None of them really questions why they are questioning the AP source, other than stating that that particular mosque attack was not reported by the Iraqi government, (and we all know how transparent the Iraqi government is), or the US military (who probably are only told when one is attacked by the transparent Iraqi government).  But you are right that everything at this point has been so jumbled up we don’t really know who is telling the truth.  I would be very interested in hearing what Mr. Hussein  has to say.
 
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Bigfella2       1/5/2007 11:59:53 PM
 

" 61 articles by the AP from this guy who does not exist!  And 23 stories by Lt. Maithem Abdul Razzaq

who has a warrant out for impersonating a government official. this is part of an even larger fabric of lies.

"Captain Jamil Hussein" is but one of 14 Iraqi-sounding names of sources quoted by AP that U.S. military officials say cannot be verified as credible sources." - EW3

Oops!

Now here's a funny thing. EW3 & the other denizens of the 'anti-MSM' echo chamber hereabouts have been running around for over a month brandishing their 'proof' that once again the evil communists at AP are making up stuff in order to destroy America (guess the Freemasons & Jews are taking a holiday).

How do they know this? Well, it turns out that the Iraqi Minstry of information told them that he didn't exist. Clearly AP is just making stuff up & tacking on non-existent names as sources, right? There can be no other explanation. In a place as dysfunctional as Iraq there is no chance that someone is posing as a police officer. And of course its just impossible that the MOI could be wrong about his existence....then again.

 

What I love about this is the same people who have taken over a month to realise that Jamil Hussein does exist are the ones being used to discredit AP stories. After all, they only had his name, rank & place of employment. Yet, whenever the AP gets something wrong it is part of some plot to undermine the war.

 

Here's a theory: Iraq is a mess. Central Iraq is chaotic. Information is difficult to verify. Not even the Government appears to know who is working for it. AP is doing no worse a job than the Iraqi Government under exceptionally difficult conditions.

 

Bloggers who sit on their arses in the CONUS & spend hours parsing every AP report should apply for their correspondent's credentials & hop the next plane to Baghdad if this reporting job is so damned easy. Hell, the US military & Iraqi government should welcome these fearless warriors for truth who laugh at danger & spend all their time right there on the front lines. Right? What, no rush to the airport? Guess they'd rather report on Iraq from the safety of another continent.

 

Besides, when you know the answer before you ask the question, analysis becomes so much easier. Right EW3?

 
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shek       1/6/2007 9:22:34 AM


 

Bloggers who sit on their arses in the CONUS & spend hours parsing every AP report should apply for their correspondent's credentials & hop the next plane to Baghdad if this reporting job is so damned easy. Hell, the US military & Iraqi government should welcome these fearless warriors for truth who laugh at danger & spend all their time right there on the front lines. Right? What, no rush to the airport? Guess they'd rather report on Iraq from the safety of another continent.




BigFella,
Actually, Michelle Malkin and Curt from Flopping Aces, who was the blogger who led the charge on the burnin' Sunni story, are both either just arrived in Iraq or on their way, courtesy of Eason Jordan, who invited them, expenses paid. 
 
Now that Jamil has been found, the question still remains whether the burnin' Sunni story still holds water or whether it was a fabrication given that there have be equally conflicting versions.  Given the hysteria surrounding the story and the snotty way in which the AP has handled this situation, I find the scrutiny on the story well founded.  If the story is correct, then the AP should be able to provide more corroborating details for the questions that have been raised.  If not, then they should hold themselves more accountable to ensure that they don't promote stories with such certainty - I don't have a problem with the story being run with obvious qualifications.
 
As one of my former commanders used to ask, referring to who was inspecting the officers and senior NCOs to make sure we were complying with standards - "Who's checking the checkers?"  The same applies here - the media serves a useful function as an "informal" check and balance in Western, liberal democracies, but who's checking them?  No one is beyond reproach IMO. 
 
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