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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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ilpars    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 10:36:42 AM
From a place, where people are tortured and humiliated; you find these as offensive. Man, you are strange. Personally I do not mind who will be my prisoner guard as long as he/she acts according to regulations.
 
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swhitebull    RE:Americans must respect Islam - uh yeah right.   5/13/2004 10:45:55 AM
..These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners... If thine eyes offend them, pluck them out. Too bad. Stop committing crimes against humanity and there wouldn't be any need to be in prisons, would there? ...The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans ... Uh right. ATROCITY? Bad behavior, certainly wrong - and politically incorrect - but certainly NOT rising to the level of a REAL ATROCITY, words EASILY bandied about by Muslims when they dont get their way, and complain about the countless humiliations heaped upon them. But this hardly rises to the level of ATROCITY by the classic definition. You want ATROCITIES? I GIVE YOU ATROCITIES. HAve fun with this SHORT list: What we did to those prisoners- some who are RALLY rotten Apples, btw, is dispicable, but certainly not up to par with: AlQaeda and Palestinian meatbombers; or Hussein's GASSING of the Kurds and Iranians; or the slaughter of 1 million non-Muslims in the Sudan; or Egypt's gassing of the Yemeni; or the death of 500,000 Algerians at the hands of Islamic fundamentalists; or the deaths of untold numbers of Afghanis by more ISLAMIC fundamentalists; or the hacking to death and beheading of Christians in Nigeria. Anything UNCLEAR about what an ATROCITY is? See a common element here? I will spell it our for you: I-S-L-A-M-I-C A-T-R-O-C-I-T-I-E-S, in case you are a little dense in the brain. I guess it ONLY counts as an ATROCITY to an Arab or a Muslim when the KUFR humiliates or hurts a muslim. So Paybacks' a bitch, isnt it? I guess you find its ok to hurt maim and kill the infidel wherever you find them. Since "if it was good enough for Mohammed, then, by Allah, its good enough for me." YOUR religion justifies killing infidels, because your "prophet" did it. So stop with the self-righteous crap. Lastly, cut off any heads lately - O font of Islamic righteous indignation? YOU have the nerve to tell Americans what WE need to do? WHY not clean YOUR verminous house first, then tell it to the Americans. I see you make NO mention in your rant about all the REAL atrocities being committed TODAY by Arabs and Islamicists in the name of your moon-goddess-worshipping, pedophilic allged "prophet." We are cleaning ours. But you have so much chara in yours that it will like cleaning out the Augean Stables: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13371 The Sacred Muslim Practice of Beheading By Andrew G. Bostom FrontPageMagazine.com | May 13, 2004 Reactions to the grotesque jihadist decapitation of yet another "infidel Jew," Mr. Berg, make clear that our intelligentsia are either dangerously uninformed, or simply unwilling to come to terms with this ugly reality: such murders are consistent with sacred jihad practices, as well as Islamic attitudes towards all non-Muslim infidels, in particular, Jews, which date back to the 7th century, and the Prophet Muhammad's own example. According to Muhammad’s sacralized biography by Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad himself sanctioned the massacre of the Qurayza, a vanquished Jewish tribe. He appointed an "arbiter" who soon rendered this concise verdict: the men were to be put to death, the women and children sold into slavery, the spoils to be divided among the Muslims. Muhammad ratified this judgment stating that it was a decree of God pronounced from above the Seven Heavens. Thus some 600 to 900 men from the Qurayza were lead on Muhammad’s order to the Market of Medina. Trenches were dug and the men were beheaded, and their decapitated corpses buried in the trenches while Muhammad watched in attendance. Women and children were sold into slavery, a number of them being distributed as gifts among Muhammad’s companions, and Muhammad chose one of the Qurayza women (Rayhana) for himself. The Qurayza’s property and other possessions (including weapons) were also divided up as additional "booty" among the Muslims, to support further jihad campaigns. The classical Muslim jurist al-Mawardi (a Shafi’ite jurist, d. 1058) from Baghdad was a seminal, prolific scholar who lived during the so-called Islamic "Golden Age" of the Abbasid-Baghdadian Caliphate. He wrote the following, based on widely accepted interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunna (i.e., the recorded words and deeds of Muhammad), regarding infidel prisoners of jihad campaigns: “As for the captives, the amir [ruler] has the choice of taking the most beneficial action of four possibilities: the first to put them to death by cutting their necks; the second, to enslave them and apply the laws of slavery regarding their sale and manumission; the third, to ransom them in exchange for goods or prisoners; and fourth, to show favor to them and pardon them. Allah, may he be exalted, says, 'When you encounter those [infidels] who deny [the Truth=Islam] then strike [thei
 
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swhitebull    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Ilpars   5/13/2004 10:49:10 AM
That excluded the Turks, whom are on the RIGHT side of this issue. No offense meant to you - hope you dont take any. HTis guy is an other righteiosly indignant apologist for Arab (and islamic fundamentalist) crimes against human. swhitebull
 
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Ashley-the-man    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 11:10:08 AM
"Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame?" You have not said that these activities go on outside the prison. I think the Americans have been very respectful, or I have not heard of this type of behavior toward Muslims - outside of the prison.
 
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doggtag    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 11:19:51 AM
...and Islam must start showing respect to Americans!
 
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celebrim    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 12:14:20 PM
Thanks for reminding me what we are fighting against. I find it laughable that the primary thing you are upset about is women and homosexuals. You clearly understand nothing of what you see. Lets be perfectly clear. Americans already respects Islam. In America, you will find many Mosques. You don't need a special permit to build one. You will find cities in which you will hear the call to prayer. You will find women allowed to wear thier headdresses, men allowed to wear thier beards, and it is so common that noone even comments about such things. Where in Islam will you here the ringing of Church bells? Where in Islam are Christians free to build Churches? No, I think we respect Islam far more than you respect us. As for the outrageous behavior of a few prison guards, such behavior is not considered acceptable in America and the people responsible will be tried under the law. It's possible that if officers were involved and the abuse outrageous enough, that some people will even be hanged for thier offenses to human dignity - even though those humans were are enemies. Where in Islam though will you find outrage and outcry against the militants save when they kill Islamics? Where in Islam can the people hold thier government and military accountable? Where in Islam will you find soldiers being given 'sensitivity training' so that they will no longer offend Americans? Where in Islam is the great outcry against people who in the name of Allah practice great outrages against human dignity? Have you no shame? The really ironic thing is that these pictures were made to shame you. Now, I believe - and most Americans believe - that they in fact shame the people that took them. But our enemies drag corpses through the streets and kidnap and murder innocents, and they believe these barbaric deeds shame us. They do not. They shame those that do them. But frankly, if you are shamed and offended because of the presence of a woman I could care less. It is telling of the mentality of where you come from that you are more offended by the presence of women than you are by the pain and indignities inflicted upon people. You reveal you come from a barbarous place in which torture is tolerated - even legal and encouraged - but women are treated like dogs. Go away.
 
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doggtag    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 12:36:14 PM
...and if they are so ashamed and offended by the presence of women, maybe they'll stop breeding altogether, which will solve the problem for us.
 
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Ashley-the-man    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/13/2004 12:42:01 PM
Does anyone ever wonder if these posts are really just attempts at imitating simple minded view points with poor syntax and logic to discredit Iraqis? Ashleem Hachmed
 
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Clausewitz    RE:The west is made out of tolerance   5/13/2004 12:46:08 PM
As a European I do not understand what salaam al-aqaaid really mean. The abuses in Abu al-Grayyib prison complex lead the president of the United States to apologize, the Senate to open and aired hearings with the Secretary of Defence, who suggested compensations for the victims (mostly hard core terrorists who killed many civilians with their bombs and who fight not for free but for an opressed iraq) and the army to courtmartial the wrongdoers. On the the other hand US-troops take casualties because they do not use their overwhelming firepower to save civilian life in iraq. Thats living respect of islamic people I guess. Don't held "the americans" accountable for the crimes of a few. So the west should and do not held all muslims accountable for the crimes of the islamofascist terrorists. All the the western media was upset by the abuses in Abu al-Grayyib prison complex. Was it the same for muslim media for the beheading of Mr. Berg? Or for the real atrocities committed to the corpses of israli soldiers in Gaza or to US-contractors in Fallujah? I don't think so. But you are right that nude muslim men should be confronted with any women. And - for religious reasons too -not with dogs. Its a western point of vies that even the worst terrotist is a human being and should be treated as one. That includes some respect for his relegious felings. but you cannot give up interrogations because the gathered information ´may save lifes. In iraq the life of iraqis/muslims too. But remind: The west is made out of tolerance
 
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Clausewitz    RE:correction: The west is made out of tolerance   5/13/2004 12:50:59 PM
I forgot a "not". So the following sentence is correct in this way: "But you are right that nude muslim men should NOT be confronted with any women.
 
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