I think longbow is right on the button,I'm sick to death of po faced muslims,banging on about the wests war on islam,then they go and pull a stroke like that in Russia,plus all the agony for the people of Darfur in the Sudan,the brutal oppresion in almost all muslim countries of women,and yet you still get left wing lilly liverd apoligists defending muslim ideals,it beggers belief

"Islam can bite me. In fact, I cant wait to meet someone saying I need to respect Islam so that I may make my point in person.... I dont think the world can take any more "Peace and Tolerance" from you guys." --- Dumb. That kind of bigotry only serves as a recuiting tool for Al Qaeda. You can kill till you rot, but if they keep getting new recruits it wont make any difference. -- rbrooku ==== Ah, so it's "bigotry" to be intolerant of vicious animals who intentionally target for kidnapping and murder civilian men, women, and children? And our "bigotry" against the kind of sub-humans who would advocate that as legitimate behavior in their war is what brings recruits to Al Qaeda? Bull. Even if killing those scum until we rot *doesn't* change it, I have no problem with killing those little sh!ts for the rest of my life, anyway--and if my daughters take up the flag and continue killing terrorists for all their life, too, I'd be pround of them for doing it. Regardless of whether killing terrorists ends terrorism by other terrorists or not, it's still the right thing to do to the terrorists we are able to kill. -- Displacedjim --- "Seems that leaving Hussein contained and focusing on Afghanistan, where other muslims enthusiastically kill Al Qaeda, would have had a better chance of demoralizing and degrading the jihadis' ability to promote terror campaigns." -- rbrooku --- Last I checked we have 10,000 troops plus lots of allied help routinely kicking ass on the remnants of the Taliban and al Qaeda that suface occasionally in Afghanistan. What we really need is permission from the two-faced government of Pakistan to clean out the cesspool of terrorists hiding in the mountains of western Pakistan and in the intelligence apparatus of the Pakistani government. Also, if the present course of action has been deficient at "demoralizing and degrading the jihadis' ability to promote terror campaigns," I certainly couldn't tell from the evidence: how much less effective can the Islamists get? In the meantime, I'm sure the forward operating location called Iraq will prove quite useful as America moves into Phase III next year and takes on/out Iran and/or Syria. Iraq was merely a stepping stone, not the final objective. Displacedjim

pfff... in any case, it's all most probably.. CRAAAAP! Jesus and mahomet and all the others have probably no more to do with God than I have to do with Pamela Anderson... It's in your head man, in your head...

"Ah, so it's "bigotry" to be intolerant of vicious animals..." No, it's bigotry to tar every follower of a religion with the acts of a few. An example is that it would be outrageous bigotry to claim Christians are child buggering sociopaths because of the acts of a few. It's also counterproductive when the only reasonable strategy to ultimately end jihadi terrorism is to demoralize them. Giving them examples that affirm their sense of paranoia does the opposite of that.

Excuse me... did you boys win a war or something? Did you EVER do anything WORTHY of respect? It's the idiocy of "You must respect us!" While those who represent you are dancing on the headless bodies of helpless hostages and murder victims that I find offensive. Islam needs to pull it's collective tush out of the middle ages and catch up with the modern world. WE didn't start this crap, your "Holy Warriors" did this to you. Tell you what, I'll make a deal with you... you respect us, we'll respect you. Pretty friggin' simple if you ask me. We have our own culture and oddly enough it includes Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Druids, Santeria, Atheists, etc... We respect Islam... we just don't respect murderous criminals who try to hide behind their religeon. I've read the Koran my friend, "Comparative Religeous Studies" class. I never found a passage in there that stated, " And you shall decapitate the innocent hostage on videotape and send it to his family". I also missed the part about suicide bombing and grenades in places of worship. Please... Abu Gharib was an aberration but NOTHING justifies the cruel murder of innocents. Allah will look badly upon you.

"Islam can bite me. In fact, I cant wait to meet someone saying I need to respect Islam so that I may make my point in person. "outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex" were fraternity pranks. Wrong, nevertheless, but harmless in the end. A gang of MUSLIM TERRORISTS GUNNING DOWN HUNDREDS OF FLEEING SECOND GRADERS in Beslan is an outrageous atrocity. You boys really but-ed the bunker on this deal. The Russians WILL hunt down and execute any one involved, their families, their neighbors, their pets, etc, etc. The terrorists have just given us a fantastic ally in this war. I can see it now. W calls Putin and says "We know where a lot of people that were involved are holed up. Want the coords?" I dont think the world can take any more "Peace and Tolerance" from you guys." -- Longbow ---- ""Ah, so it's "bigotry" to be intolerant of vicious animals..." No, it's bigotry to tar every follower of a religion with the acts of a few. An example is that it would be outrageous bigotry to claim Christians are child buggering sociopaths because of the acts of a few. It's also counterproductive when the only reasonable strategy to ultimately end jihadi terrorism is to demoralize them. Giving them examples that affirm their sense of paranoia does the opposite of that" -- rbrooku ---- Above is the complete post by Longbow which you responded to. There isn't even the slightest hint in his post of "tar[ring] every follower of a religion with the acts of a few." Your statement is a complete strawman that you've set up to attempt to claim (all?) Americans hate or at least are insensitive to all moslems. Baseless, although I'll agree with you that the Islamists certainly do seem to have a wide streak of paranoia about us. The misunderstanding of intentions, motivations, etc., is on the part of the Islamists, not us. But when their bullets are flying and their IEDs are detonating, then the first order of business is finding them and killing them. If the Islamists were interested whatsoever in peace in Iraq, all they would neeed to do is put down their guns and bombs for a month and see what happens in Iraq when we don't have to worry about providing security across the country. They won't do that because that would show everyone which side is truly interested in peace and prosperity for the Iraqi people and which side is only interested in gaining and exerting power for themselves. Displacedjim

"The Quran has a word for Muslims who do not actively seek jihad - holy war - against infidels. No, not 'moderate'. Apostate." >>Aiy yai yai! Hoo boy, some hot stuff here. EVERY religion has evil in its scriptures, when read literally. Westerners no longer believe in slavery, yet the Bible certainly condones slavery. It is reasonable moderation and tolerance, born from understanding religious scripture as allegory rather than literalism, that allows cultures to co-exist<< I really don't care that you use mustard in your tuna salad recipe, especially when I'm talking about changing a tire.

"It's also counterproductive when the only reasonable strategy to ultimately end jihadi terrorism is to demoralize them." Who the f*ck wants to demoralize them? They must die.

Well, Cast a Giant Shadow was a book decades before it was a movie. Movies tend to be abbreviated - due to the nature of the media. The incident is in both the book and the movie and it is hard to believe he took off from the attack on the Taggart Fort to deal with a problem in the Nagev. As for "excessive nationalism" - well just read some of the stuff of On Watch and you will get the idea. IDF does indeed have a system of what the US regards as honorary ranks - it being illegal to accept actual rank in a foreign armed forces. The word they use is different - and it implies it is earned by something. When they ask for help they always make everyone a captain, and the leaders are made majors. This is not entirely unique - any specialist inducted is usually made a captain (or a warrant officer) - consider the cases of doctors, lawyers and clergymen. And none of them are "line" officers either. Sometimes we make them colonels - the head of the Chinese missile development program was once a USAAC colonel - not because he rose through the ranks - but as a mechanism to give him some status when he did some work for the military. [He went to Germany and researched some Luftwaffe things, including the Hermann Goering Institute, a place we didn't even know existed during the war. His name is Tsien. See The Thread of the Silkworm.] Anyway, that was the IDF procedure in the 1960s: most of the team were captains, the group leaders were majors and the team leader was a lt col.

"Who the f*ck wants to demoralize them? They must die." So they don't constantly get new recruits. If there is a new one for everyone you kill, then you can win every battle and still lose the war. Thought we would have learned that by now.