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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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elcid    I realize you are young, so you don't remember   8/31/2004 3:34:21 AM
But there was a time, probably before you were born, that the suggestion to buy German equipment was really radical. I remember an entire, crowded room of people staring at me for the suggestion. As if "what planet does he come from, he thinks we would ever buy anything from Germany?" But Israeli's prooved able to see past their prejudices - better than some on this board do - and ultimately decided to do just that. It has been so for a long time, and I find it completely understandable you don't know it ever was otherwise. Which I hope sets an example about the way an open minded person thinks when he finds someone is wrong on this or that point - it is not necessary that they are telling lies. Maybe they honestly never ran into the data before.
 
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elcid    Will the French,like the Spanish, cave in    8/31/2004 3:37:28 AM
There is reason to fear it, in the short run. But in the long run, it won't work. So everyone is likely to end up in the fight. Note that France has the second biggest air force fighting in Afghanistan, and otherwise has lots of forces in the field, including at coalition HQ. France also has a substantial Muslim population, and someone is threatening the rail system...
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Will the French,like the Spanish, cave in    8/31/2004 8:31:07 AM
once upon a time, france also had the second largest iraqi airforce.
 
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displacedjim    RE:I realize you are young, so you don't remember   8/31/2004 11:06:58 AM
ElCid, it's not the concept of whether Israelis at one time would not buy anything from Germany that is being debated by others here. It's the causal linkage that is clearly inferred from the way you stated that concept, followed by your questioning of Israelis about it, followed by the Israelis subsequently buying German products. The most obvious inferrence is that you believe your questioning is what caused Israel to change its position against German products when it did. Displacedjim
 
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Uchiita    RE: Response to Cowboy - Last word on the subject of Man Hating.   8/31/2004 1:43:13 PM
Okay, this is my abosolute last word on the female business. I'm not a man-hater. I actually quite like men and get on with more men than women. They are interesting, see the world in different ways, they are good at short-term solutions and some of them are even good in bed. They make excellent sparring partners in my martial art (male dominated) and in politics (again, male dominated, at least in my country). When I go to dance, I dance with men, not with women. I admire - and desire - men for their strength and their beauty and the fact that they are very different from me. I was constructed to be the companion - not a slave or a boss - of a man. I need men in my life - I cannot stand hords of women (or men, for that matter, I thrive in a balanced environment). I would be a miserable thing if men were not in my life. No man who ever knew me ever said that I was a man-hater, or prejudiced against them. However, men are not very good - as a sex - at long term projection, they can be competative and bloody minded, and they can hate women and some of them are especially dangerous to be around. I have suffered at the hands of evil men, but also have been loved by good men - my father, my brothers, former partners and the man who is in my life just now. I hate to point out the obvious here - but there are good men and bad men everywhere. I'm not interested in political correctness but I do not want to be verbally abused because I am female. Maybe other women post here under masculine handles and keep their gender secret. Who knows. I don't tell lies. I am up front, about my gender (female) about my politics (left) and about my desire to learn (insatiable). Pick holes in my argument, by all means, but don't take potshots at me because I am a woman. Cowboy, I only responded to a threat: I was abused, not for my politics primarily but my gender. It was men on this list who made an issue of my sex, not I. Now, I don't want to talk any more about this. I am simply not interested in the battle of the sexes. I have neither the time nor the inclination. Cowboy tells me to stand on my feet - I have been standing all this time. My center is sure, my sight is clear. I come from an ancient and complex culture. Women from my country are not easily threatened or cowed - it is not in our nature to capitulate when threatened. Now, let's have no more on the subject. I want to talk about guns and things. Uchiita
 
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scholar    RE: Response to Cowboy - Last word on the subject of Man Hating.   8/31/2004 2:02:03 PM
Bravo, Uchiita. If you keep fighting you'll find that even the socially inept insecure men who find compensation for their inadequacies by posting (anonymously) provocative hate-filled screed on this site will learn to respect you. Another option is to ignore them; you know who they are by now.
 
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American Kafir    RE:you must die as an infidel for disputing the Quran   8/31/2004 2:22:48 PM
>>There may indeed be some radicals who say this, but the Quran does not. I know an Islamic cleric who says you (if you are a Muslim) are bound to serve your neighbor, wether or not they believe in the Quran. There are certainly passages that seem to say that<< Sorry Elcid, but thanks for playing. Here's your box of Rice-A-Roni. The Quran specifically outlines for Muslims an entirely different version of Jesus than appears in the Bible - that he was never crucified, never rose from the dead, that the Trinity is Mary, Joseph, and Jesus, and that Jesus was not the Son of God born of a virgin. Of course, from the Christian perspective, these are not only wrong, but a direct assault upon the central premises of Christianity itself. But, since the Quran protects the "People of the Book," i.e. "Jews" who believe Allah turned their scattered ancestors into pigs and apes, "Christians" who believe Jesus faked his death, etc. - in other words, people who submit to Islam and its versions of Judaism and Christianity - real Jews and Christians, those who find error in Allah's holy word, are in fact infidels to be killed. The Quran has a word for Muslims who do not actively seek jihad - holy war - against infidels. No, not "moderate." "Apostate."
 
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American Kafir    RE:I realize you are young, so you don't remember   8/31/2004 2:29:20 PM
>>ElCid, it's not the concept of whether Israelis at one time would not buy anything from Germany that is being debated by others here. It's the causal linkage that is clearly inferred from the way you stated that concept, followed by your questioning of Israelis about it, followed by the Israelis subsequently buying German products. The most obvious inferrence is that you believe your questioning is what caused Israel to change its position against German products when it did.<< Inferred?
"Everyone shook their heads and chalked it up to my ignorance of the Holocaust, but the senior officer (today a politician) thought about it, and reversed the policy. From then on Israel not only bought things German, but shared certain kinds of research." - elcid
That's not an inference. That's "elcid" padding his resume of bs.
 
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doggtag    RE:researched it?: back at you, scholar   8/31/2004 3:39:08 PM
"...zero information...no records, no archaeology..." So then, are you now suggesting that you've seen and read everything ever written in the history of the world, and poked around in every archaeology dig and text from all points east of the meridian to all points west of the meridian to KNOW this to be true? I'm not saying I support the theory myself: it's only one more "what if" that can neither be fully proven nor fully denied (becuase I DID mention about just how many records, texts, and manuscripts, and scrolls were lost when religions plundered and burned each other's libraries through the ages. We cannot even begin to imagine all the history that's been "thrown away" all in the name of "progress". History, in its final form, has always been written by the victors.) ...maybe I'm now playing along with the game of others: you can't prove entirely it is totally false, so it might have some truth to it..
 
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Echo    RE: No one should respect Islam   8/31/2004 3:48:35 PM
I've just come in, and have watched the T V news,from start to finnish it was wall ta wall muslims behaving badly,there were suicide bombings,telivised beadings,rapes,ethnic cleansings and blackmail,How can anyone respect these lowlives,thank God for the US AND UK armies
 
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