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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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elcid    it's getting harder to bull people so they're trying to update their bull   8/23/2004 12:50:48 AM
You are missing the point. ALL human institutions need to evolve over time. The great religions are forces for reform, and reformers needs to lead the changes in broader society. Change does not mean the previous belief's were wrong. I suggest a class in comparative religion. You should be able to grasp such principles as ethics are not bull at all.
 
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Uchiita    RE:The academic left re-enters stage right...(OW)   8/23/2004 12:53:19 AM
>>>>>>You rightly, caught some flak from Grum, and then from me for that smarmy entrance! If you want to seriously participate here, state your case seriously, and back it up with referenced citations! And don't cry the blues when you get burned by some of your own flames!>>>> Point taken OW, I'm sorry if feel I was being smarmy. Stats can be found at Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch Websites. These are independent, internally respected NGOs. I'll also hunt down the UN docs. In particular you should find the controversy over the US insistence that records of civilian dead in Iraq should not be kept interesting. I'll post the links when I'm more awake. You are absolutely right to pull me up for not citing. It is not the fact you disagree with me that I have issue with - its your sexually demeaning language. You can slam or trash my politics as you will, that I don't mind (in fact, I welcome it. That which does not kill us etc etc.) but I would respectfully ask not to use sex to try and undermine me. Apart from anything else, it makes me look reasonable, and you look irrational and unreasonable, thus handing me an advantage. And you really can't have that, now can you? ;-) with respect Uchiita
 
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elcid    Aztecs (and South Pacific) religions   8/23/2004 12:54:37 AM
The demise of these religions - almost overnight - in the face of Christianity was more a function of their nature. Relatively speaking, the Christian deal was a much better one! [Human sacrifice probably is not popular - at least among mothers]. Probably Jewish or Islamic evangilists would have been equally successful, had they been there. In fact, the Islamic ones were: they got to SE Asia before the Christians did, and the minor religions fell in a similar fashion. [See Malaya, Indonesia, Philippine history].
 
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elcid    It makes life easier, it gives a meaning to their life, etc..   8/23/2004 12:55:36 AM
This is how you proove yourself wrong - again. These things are not bs. Case rested.
 
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elcid    But it was never any more true than before those colonizations took place.   8/23/2004 12:58:30 AM
I am a Kelt. My religion (the Druidic one, we don't know its proper name) was indeed stamped out by the Anglo-Saxons. But I do not wish to take up the cause of defending a religion which included human sacrifice. Perhaps you are wrong that what followed was not better than what came before? If you are objective, and informed, you will have to back off your assertion. Even if it is sometimes true, it is clearly not always, and apparently not often true.
 
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elcid    Can I ask where you posted your invitation for the discussion group    8/23/2004 1:04:39 AM
I asked Chemist (who has some official position at Strategypage) to forward it to you. If he has not done, ask SYSOPS to forward my address to you. I run a primitive email list with some rather impressive people on it. We focus on China, then Asia, and also on weapons of mass destruction and the war on terror (which are not always Asia related topics). Two of us are noted female academics and authors. We never have bad behaviors in our commentaries - and we share articles of interest we find. We sort of have a staff - and we get many articles a day.
 
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elcid    The problem with nationalists   8/23/2004 1:12:19 AM
This is not restricted to people from the USA - on the China board we usually have one or two PRC nationalists - so you can see it is similar. Nationalists are NOT pluralists. It is more or less "my country, right or wrong." You can find this in some BJP stuff in India too. Do not waste too much emotional or mental energy on the likes of anyone who is abusive and who is too quick to call people a liar. These are defense mechanisms they use because their minds are NOT pluralistic, and they are NOT open to the possibility they do not already know the truth. It is better to consider, and respond, to the rational posters - Chemist - Jim - etc. The internet is wild and almost unregulated - so the nationalists get to say whatever they like. But I apply Chemist's doctrine: if they are abusive it is best to ignore them. My own doctrine is to engage them in hopes of exposing their thoughts (lack of thoughts?) - but I pretty much do that only on the China board. Here I just comment - and anyone hostile I pretty much ignore.
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:The problem with nationalists   8/23/2004 1:25:32 AM
nationalist is by no means a bad thing. the nazis ruined the meaning of that word..
 
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Uchiita    RE:Can I ask where you posted your invitation for the discussion group    8/23/2004 1:41:18 AM
>>> focus on China, then Asia, and also on weapons of mass destruction and the war on terror (which are not always Asia related topics) Thanks Cid, I got it. Looking forward to reading the views. Interesting points you have on religion in the public sphere - somethng of a pet interest of mine, I'll comment on them when I'm awake. Uchiita
 
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On Watch    RE:The academic left re-enters stage right...(uch)   8/23/2004 2:14:55 AM
>>I have issue with - its your sexually demeaning language.--uchitta<< Exactly what pray tell did I say that was sexually demeaning? I think your problem is that you've come to play in a sandbox with American men, including some Military types, but come deficient in the language, it's shadings, and colloquial usage. I don't feel obligated to explain or sooth ruffled feathers for your language decoding errors, or your misconceptions. For instance: "flamebait" is what you put out when you dropped your line here. I called it a "glowworm"! Shaking it's hips to get a bite! You interpreted that as if I was talking about your hips! I'd assume, because I referenced and extended your remark about TALKING to, instead of LISTENING more carefully to GIs to find the honor & respect which resides in them. Get over it Girl! Accidental, or even intentional double entendres are part of the discussion style here. This is not lawncricket or a debating society! Toughen up and lose the -- 'I'm a lil abused girl routine' -- and you just might learn some things! That said, you do deserve credit for recognizing that your debut was at best, a few citations short of a stellar appearence. However, please be advised, that to date, I've not been impressed by the anti-American performance, or pronouncements by the UN clique, Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch! I think they're all basically a bunch of socialist crooks & "useful idiots"! Still, If you discover some 'pearl of wisdom' overthere, I'm sure someone in this Shop will be happy to assess it for you! On Watch -- Let's Roll P.S. It is customary for new girls & guys to at least observe and read the boards for a spell before sounding off. Sort of like getting the FAQs straight before burdening others with one's ignorance.
 
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