Yes, sure OnWatch did not omit that highly relavant part on purpose. Especially the part "It makes no difference that the Koran specifically forbids the mistreatment of prisoners. As with the worst demagogues in every religion, the apostles of terror cite religious texts selectively." and the part "The Saudis, especially, have sown the wind and now are reaping the whirlwind." And English is not my main language but even I understand that "the perversion of faith pervades today’s Islamic mainstream" has a very different meaning then "Islamic mainstream is perverse". I think Mr. OnWatch is a selective reader. He reads the part that is according to his vision then omits the part that is not totaly in line with his vision. By the way, I am not in the same opinion with the writer. But I have already told my opinions on the subject in my previous posts. There is no need to go over it again.

>>...English is not my main language but even I understand that "the perversion of faith pervades today’s Islamic mainstream"... --Illpar<< Well at least one Muslin is comming out of denial...And that's good to hear! Sounds like you're making progress! Yes the perversion of Islamo-Fascism continues to be pervasive in mainstream Islam... The question that remains to be answered is, whether ISLAM will change itself, or if the USA, of necessity, must continue to be the primary change agent for Islamic perestroika? On Watch

OnWatch have a very interesting trick in a discussion. He only quotes the part he likes from a writing. For example the article he quoted was clearly talking about Wahabi influenced Islam but he cleverly omit a part of it to make it look as it talks about entire Islam. Of course he also omit the part that said what Wahabi's preached is against Islam. Again he tried the same trick about my post (the last one before this one). I was clearly talking about his misquoting of the article. He distorted it to look like I am in the same opinion with him. Why he is doing this distortion? First, he can not write a single post without sarcasm or insult. He know that sarcasm or insult is not a good way to show him right. So he have a need to quote. Second, he is too lazy to look for an article that has the same opinion with him. So he distorts the ones that are not; to look like they are. Third, he do not have respect to the ones he quoted from. Fourth, his hatred to everything related to Islam is so great that; he does not care when he distorts reality. In his defense as a fanatic, he has a need to hate.

;) OW CL.

>>OnWatch have a very interesting trick in a discussion. He only quotes the part he likes from a writing. -- illpet<< Duh! Why in the world would I quote something from an article that doesn't speak to the subject being discussed or support my argument? Who the heck do you think I am French John Kerry! Sorry buddy I'm not that islamically nuanced. Now let's get back to substance -- so I take it that you're now disagreeing with Col Peter's observation (which you previously posted, because I did not) -- that is, a "perversion of faith pervades today’s Islamic mainstream."! Silly me I thought you had an epiphany and actually saw the light! Although, I'm really not surprised that you're still in denial. It's the same sort of obfuscation suffered by the majority of the Islamic Turks, including Erdogon. I note(as reported on tonights NEWS) that the Turks on the street in Ankara are calling for NATO and Western officials to leave the country ASAP so as not to offend the local alQueda chapter...why am I not surprised! On Watch BTW, what's "hate" got to do with it, I love my kids, but I don't fall for their BS either!

What OnWatch wrote : "I note(as reported on tonights NEWS) that the Turks on the street in Ankara are calling for NATO and Western officials to leave the country ASAP so as not to offend the local alQueda chapter...why am I not surprised! " The real News: Turkish riot police stand at the entrance of Foreign Ministry as a leftist group stage a demonstration 'occupation, NATO (news - web sites) and Bush', in Ankara on Thursday, June 24, 2004. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040624/481/ank11106241735 Let's all say congragulations to OnWatch. He even confuse leftist demonstrators with fundementalists. A side note to OnWatch: In Europe leftist groups, especially the communist ones are usually against NATO. Another side note: Bush and Erdogan are very good pals. Oh no! Can Bush be a Islamist fanatic?

>>In Europe leftist groups, especially the communist ones are usually against NATO. ilpcat<< Oh Yeah! Maybe the Basques were the bombers! Sorry Pal, riot police lined up for a photo-op does not support your blame the "euro-leftest" whitewash. Yes, the latest bombings could have been any of a number of terrorist-groups, but I'll bet the farm, & the milk-cow, that there's a mob of "mainstream" Turk Muslims involved! "The blasts in Istanbul and Ankara came amid growing concerns over security at the NATO summit. Al-Qaida-linked suicide bombers killed more than 60 people in a series of bombings in November. Militant leftist groups are also active in Turkey, as are Kurdish and Islamic groups The security measures came after two explosions Thursday — one outside the Ankara hotel where Bush is expected to stay and a second on an Istanbul bus. The bombings killed four people and wounded 17. >>... Bush and Erdogan are very good pals. -- Illper<< Yeah you keep saying that they're soapy shower pals ilpard but I haven't seen the Erdog' get an invite to the ranch! Yes The US CinC is a brave soul for going into the Islamic Badlands of Turkey! Some would say foolish. I would have sent my SecDef with instructions to avoid drinking the water! On Watch

Whenever someone caught OnWatch b... he immediately starts insulting and adding more b... Possible reasons: 1. He has nothing reasonable to say. 2. He can not continue without insulting. After all he is an insulter. 3. He knows he caughted flat-footed. By insulting, he trying to make other side also to insult. So trying to degenrate to situation to cover his b... For your knowledge, yes AQ allied terrorists started to bomb civilian places. Of course you failed to mention that all the dead and wounded are Turks. Apperantly you do not care if dead ones are Turks. After all they are worthless Muslims for you, aren't they.

>>>For your knowledge, yes AQ allied terrorists started to bomb civilian places. Of course you failed to mention that all the dead and wounded are Turks. Apperantly you do not care if dead ones are Turks. After all they are worthless Muslims for you, aren't they.<<< ilpars OW, why did you omit this part? Arab Muslims are allowed to spew anti-Western, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Hindu, anti-everybody-else hate speech. That’s just their culture, you see. But it’s taboo for a Westerner to suggest that the roots of terror may go a bit deeper than a black sheep or two in a few Middle-Eastern families.

The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive. ................................. Yes we have shame. That is why a great many of us want to lynch them.