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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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ilpars    RE:Continuing on...   6/16/2004 9:44:49 AM
I have answered your question long before you asked it. If you have ever looked at the previous posts before you entered A very short summary: Many Muslim countries are fighting against fundementalism. I can not talk for other countries but in Turkey Turkish religious officials openly comdemning fundementalist terrorism nearly evry day in TV and mosques. There were demonstrations against their terror in the streets. Next time before coming to conclusions, read the forum more carefully. I dislike to repeat myself.
 
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celebrim    RE:Back to Apples.   6/16/2004 3:25:31 PM
Yes, I know. Off topic. But the on topic discussion is boring, is going in circles, doesn't serve much of a purpose, and borders on insulting to all involved. So, apples. "Golden Delicious is, in my opinion, the best overall apple ever discovered. (It was a natural mutation, the enshrined ancestor tree just recently expired)." The fact that Golden Delicious isn't on my list is due in part to the fact that I've only picked one off a tree once, and while it was pretty good - it wasn't my favorite apple. As my choices of Arkansas Black, Braeburn, and Honeycrisp as top apples indicate, I like an apple with a strong complex fruity/spicy flavor. Golden Delicious has a good flavor but it tends toward 'delicate'. Its like white onions versus yellow onions. I've always prefered the stronger taste of yellow onions, even back when white onions were more fashionable for thier delicate flavor. Of the readily available commercial apples, its really really hard to beat a Braeburn. The greatest sin an apple can commit is to be soft. An apple needs to crunch dramatically all the way through the bite and produce the very distinctive sound that an apple is supposed to produce when you bite it. There is nothing worse in the mouth than a soft, mealy textured apple. You immediately regret ever putting them in your mouth. When fresh Braeburns are near the upper end of the crunch scale without being 'hard' (like a Dixie Red, my wife's favorite apple), and they preserve thier crunch for a long time during storage. While not nearly the offender that the Red Delicious is, I've had too many soft, mealy, GD's from the supermarket to even risk them. The same is true of Johnathan and McIntosh's. Both may well be good apples that simply suffer from the shipping/storage process, but for those of us that don't have the good fortune to live on an apple orchard to enjoy the apple it has to be brought to us. Obviously, when the local growers are in season, that's where I'm going, but in the mean time I've got Galas, Fujis, and Braeburns
 
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On Watch    The Islamist Cancer   6/16/2004 3:32:57 PM
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American Kafir    RE:Bored - AK   6/16/2004 10:22:04 PM
"But seriously, there's a difference between the Spanish Inquisition and the rules of jihad. The obvious one being that the Spanish Inquisition wasn't mandated by Christianity's holy text." >>If we consider that there were hundreds of different versions of Bible in history, I am sure we can find some texts against your opinion.<< If we had a million monkeys with a million typewriters there's a random chance that one might eventually compose a copy of the Mahabharata too, but lets stick to specifics. There is no version of the Bible that authorized the Spanish Inquisition. >>And if I am not wrong Pope's verdicts considered as religiously correct for Catholics. And at medieval times there were no protestants yet.<< One man's Protestant is another man's heretic. Especially in those days. >>My point in this there were always bloodthirsty religious men in history in every religion who gave permission to this kind of ruthless acts.<< Agreed. If you look at ideologically there should be no Crusades if Christians had really followed the teachings of initial Christians at the medieval period. >>The same is also true for Islam. The part in Islam which confuses some ideologs and historians is Hz. Muhammet was both a religious leader and a national leader. Unlike Hz. Moses or Hz. Jesus, he commanded armies lead an emerging nation. Like all national leaders he was responsible for some deaths.<< That's quite an understatement, considering the fact that Muhammad and his followers overthrew the existing order in Arabia and from there expanded via warfare. Puts a dent in the idea that "there's no compulsion in Islam." >>There are some facts in his life that must be mentioned. He was always very kind to prisoners. Yes he exchanged or ransomed the prisoners but ransoms were very fair. For poor it was just several months public duty. Only in one condition he ordered the death of prisoners, for the ones who killed prisoners. And in most of the religions the penalty of murder is death. And in Qur'an it is openly written that you should treat respectfully to prisoners.<< This says nothing of Muhammad's personal enemies from Mecca who were executed, says nothing of the wives and concubines taken by Muhammad from the battlefields, and says nothing of the assassinations ordered by Muhammad himself to spread and maintain the "religion of peace." >>We are continuing this quiet a while, AK. How long do you think we have to continue?<< According to average lifespan calculations and taking into account my body mass index and that I smoke - after January 2057, it's anyone's guess. >>IMO, your vision of Islam is too much affected by Wahabi version of it. I am also in the same opinion with you that Wahabi version of Islam is disturbing. On the other hand if you will read the books about Hanefi or Alevi sect of Islam, you will see a very peaceful religion in front of you. I do not know how you can find them in English though.<< I welcome all new information. But as far as I can tell, anti-Wahabism in Islam is a minority view.
 
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chemist    I thought we weren't going there?   6/17/2004 12:03:59 AM
Well? Didn't we(ilpars?) agree to not go down this line of reasoning? It isn't that useful.
 
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ilpars    Wahhabi in Islam - AK   6/17/2004 1:39:30 AM
Wahhabi sect is a minority in Islam. They are just the one sect who is trying to expand and so making much propaganda. Only a few percent of all Muslims are following Wahhabi sect. The sect which has largest follower base in Islam is Hanefi sect, Shia sect is the second.
 
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ilpars    RE:I thought we weren't going there?   6/17/2004 1:41:43 AM
I have already made my point. But, AK is contnuing to giving false claims that I have already answered in the past. On the sake of not remaking an already made discussion; I am not going there.
 
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American Kafir    RE:Wahhabi in Islam - AK   6/17/2004 10:10:53 AM
>>Wahhabi sect is a minority in Islam. They are just the one sect who is trying to expand and so making much propaganda. Only a few percent of all Muslims are following Wahhabi sect. The sect which has largest follower base in Islam is Hanefi sect, Shia sect is the second.<< I'm aware of the various sects of Islam. I'm not aware of any of these sects ever condemning Wahabbism specifically, nor terrorists. I am aware that the Hanefi sect of Islam is not free of jihadis either. The Deobandi branch of the Hanefi sect runs many of the 50,000 or so madrassahs in Pakistan that provide religious indoctrination and basic military training to over 3 million "students" a year. I am aware that the Hezbollah that bombed the US Marines barracks in Beirut back in 1983 were Shia. Next?
 
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ilpars    RE:Wahhabi in Islam - AK   6/17/2004 10:23:44 AM
Read more carefully what I have written. I never said there are no Hanefi or Shia terrorists. Or never said anything about Shia sect as I have no knowledge about their belief. I have only said that Wahhabi sect is a minority but trying to expand. And about Pakistan. Madrasah means simply school in Arabic. I think what is thought in Pakistan schools is directed by Pakistan government. So it is a governmental policy to teach students basic military training at schools. What religion got to do with it. As you have said "Next?"
 
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American Kafir    RE:Wahhabi in Islam - AK   6/17/2004 10:46:30 AM
>>Read more carefully what I have written. I never said there are no Hanefi or Shia terrorists. Or never said anything about Shia sect as I have no knowledge about their belief. I have only said that Wahhabi sect is a minority but trying to expand. And about Pakistan. Madrasah means simply school in Arabic. I think what is thought in Pakistan schools is directed by Pakistan government. So it is a governmental policy to teach students basic military training at schools. What religion got to do with it.<< Plenty. The Deobandi branch of Hanefi Islam is extremely fundamentalist as well. And it's not just Pakistani kids going to these places. Many members of Islamic terrorist groups from Morocco to the Phillipines are "graduates" of these "schools." I'm just saying Wahabis can't be the minority and the whole problem at the same time. There's other pan-Islamic sects than the Wahabis, and they are all militant.
 
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