Marvelous! My mouth is watering! So, curious, when one is "Appled in Appleton" what type of ammo are those lil stinkers using? On Watch

Appleton is known for its Fire Engines. Go figure.

Uhh emm aah about that recipe--is it a Top Secret? Lessee here, Red Delicious & Macs a "bushel & a peck and a hug around the neck"...My Grandad cultivated an orchard -- apples, peaches, cherries, etc! Gramps was a retired Sgt Major and was deadly with his BB gun, but the cherry peckin birds never learned to stay out of his sights! When school recessed for vacations we indians would be shipped out to Grampa's Farm. After our chores we'd pull a cart full of produce out to the county road and set up our roadside stand for business! The tourists couldn't get enough of that fresh stuff, and Grandaddy let us pocket what cash we could count...thanks 'Cider for sparkin some fond memories of that ol' Soldier... OW PS... concur with your statement on expertise.

There are lots of books about Islam in Turkey. The books about moderate Islam. The books about life of Hz. Muhammed. Books about how Comminism ideology and Islam has paralel ideologies (Written by a comminist writer.) About Democracy and Islam. About rise of Fundementalist Islam. About Qur'an and Hadises In short about any subject of Islam. That is why I said just buy a book. I thought it would be same in the West. Appearantly western readers or publishers do not interested in moderate Islam. There are lots of material. It does not mean something do not exist if you do not see it.

AK, or you can follow the examples of your medieaval ancestors. First torture the captives till they convert to Christianity and then kill them.

Ilpars, that's not AK's cultural tradition, that's mine(Spanish/Catholic Inquisition). I'd appreciate it if you didn't use that. There are enough turds running around with anti-Catholic rhetoric as is(note:last nights(monday) Daily Show. It's funny to watch people who know nothing about Cathecism criticise the Church. Death penalty and War? Church has doctrines for them. The concept of a Just War has its genesis in the writings of Thomas Aquinas. Pope JP2 issued a missive a few years ago pertaining to the death penalty(allowable, but but as close to a sin without being one as you can get). The Church's doctrines pertaining to gay marriage and abortion are unambiguous and direct. Flat out wrong.). Does this difference matter to the 'comedians'? Not really. Just another myth of the Catholic Church and the religious right trying to make a theocracy getting launched. I'll bet that Talking Points Memo will have something along those lines tommorrow morning..

I am not going there. I was just trying to show the stupidity of what AK had said. According to Islam, a prisoner of war must be treated by respect. But it is common for AK to say "hot air" things. He is simply Islamophobic. Yes there are/were muslims who treated prisoners of war ruthlessly, but it is against Islam.

>>AK, or you can follow the examples of your medieaval ancestors. First torture the captives till they convert to Christianity and then kill them<< Not bad, but it lacks entertainment value. How about the practices of my Native American ancestors? We could hang the prisoners from trees by their beards and cast lots on how many swings back and forth it will take to wrench their beards out of their faces. Homemade beard moss. But seriously, there's a difference between the Spanish Inquisition and the rules of jihad. The obvious one being that the Spanish Inquisition wasn't mandated by Christianity's holy text.

"But seriously, there's a difference between the Spanish Inquisition and the rules of jihad. The obvious one being that the Spanish Inquisition wasn't mandated by Christianity's holy text." If we consider that there were hundreds of different versions of Bible in history, I am sure we can find some texts against your opinion. And if I am not wrong Pope's verdicts considered as religiously correct for Catholics. And at medieval times there were no protestants yet. My point in this there were always bloodthirsty religious men in history in every religion who gave permission to this kind of ruthless acts. If you look at ideologically there should be no Crusades if Christians had really followed the teachings of initial Christians at the medieval period. The same is also true for Islam. The part in Islam which confuses some ideologs and historians is Hz. Muhammet was both a religious leader and a national leader. Unlike Hz. Moses or Hz. Jesus, he commanded armies lead an emerging nation. Like all national leaders he was responsible for some deaths. There are some facts in his life that must be mentioned. He was always very kind to prisoners. Yes he exchanged or ransomed the prisoners but ransoms were very fair. For poor it was just several months public duty. Only in one condition he ordered the death of prisoners, for the ones who killed prisoners. And in most of the religions the penalty of murder is death. And in Qur'an it is openly written that you should treat respectfully to prisoners. We are continuing this quiet a while, AK. How long do you think we have to continue? IMO, your vision of Islam is too much affected by Wahabi version of it. I am also in the same opinion with you that Wahabi version of Islam is disturbing. On the other hand if you will read the books about Hanefi or Alevi sect of Islam, you will see a very peaceful religion in front of you. I do not know how you can find them in English though.

...…ilpars misses the very point he makes himself. My accusation is that muslims cannot claim to be peaceful as long as they aid, abet, celebrate the deeds of, or FAIL to combat terrorists that murder in the name of islam. Until I see muslim clerics on every TV station condemning terrorism and wanton murder in the name of islam, until I see multiple internet sites that decry the notion of virgins waiting in paradise to reward terrorists, until I see hundreds of thousands of muslims demonstrating in the streets against those that murder innocent people in the name of islam, until I see terrorists turned out into the street by irate citizens instead of being hidden, until I see all these things, and more, islam should not and cannot be allowed to claim “peace” as its heritage. Offering thousand-year-old acts of Christian barbarism as justification for the support terrorists receive from typical average muslims is nonsense. It is the type of logic a school child uses…”..But he did it too”.