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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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ilpars    RE:Turkey and EU - Landser1944   5/29/2004 5:27:17 PM
Do you know any fundementalist who is willing to stay in the boundaries of a constitution that he believes against Islam? Army and politics: In Turkish army it is illegal for an army personel to say anything about politics or to show any sympathy to any party. But army also feels a responsibilty not to be silent in any political issue that can affect National security. I do not see what is wrong with that.
 
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Landser1944    RE:Turkey and EU - Landser1944   5/29/2004 7:51:11 PM
Well normaly it is not for the army to decide what concerns national security but for the parlament which represents the people. If the army can do whatever it wants in the name of national security it is more like a military dictatorship than a like a democracy. Why don't you trust your parlament to do whatever it takes to protect turkey but within legal boundries? Like you said, fundamentalist tend to breake the constitution and other laws, police and intelligence can deal with that. It works like that in USA and Europe, i don't see why it shouldn't be good enough for you. We had terror in germany, too (R.A.F.) and we didn't need the army. Turkey has some work to do but it is making progress. Some day you'll be welcomed but right now, EU has a lot of work to do, too. We still have to decide how far we want to go (politically and economically and to find a efficient structure).
 
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Landser1944    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/29/2004 8:02:45 PM
@sooner it is also about human rights and you have to admit, even a terrorist (by your definition) is one. The west dondems violations against human rights other feel that not to be that important... however we do and because of that we are particulary strict with ourselfs. We have to stick to the basics of our civilisation, even during war times. Give them alcohol, they are probably not used to it and start talking. Other drugs ?
 
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sooner    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/30/2004 8:48:58 AM
Good idea.
 
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doggtag    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/30/2004 1:21:46 PM
yup, it's easier to get more people to accept your will when they're tanked up. (maybe that's another reason Prohibition Act was repealed, eh?).
 
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ilpars    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Landser1944   5/30/2004 1:48:10 PM
Another myth: Arabs do not drink alcohol. This is just another myth. Saudi Arabs do not drink as it is a serious crime in their country. But in most of the other Arab countries drinking is voluntary.
 
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dudley    RE:Americans must respect Islam   5/30/2004 1:48:21 PM
anyone who doesnt respect turkey is ignorant of her long history.greek,roman,christian,byzantium,islamic,ottoman.she sits at the crossroads of 3 continents.to me that in itself commands respect.
 
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Heorot    RE:Americans must respect Islam - Landser1944   5/30/2004 7:53:22 PM
I don't have problem at all with the Turkish army. It has proved itself in the past that it will step in to remove a corrupt government or one that promises to lead the country back into the darkness of fundamentalism. It has also, (in every case) then arranged for democratic elections to be held and then stepped down. The fact that a German doesn’t trust an army with political responsibilities just reflects on the history of his country.
 
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Zaknafein    RE:Americans must respect Islam( WHAT???)   5/30/2004 8:37:00 PM
As a Canadian I think that 99% of Americans have the utmost respect for Islam, and any other religion for that matter. That itself is a generalist statement which in turn, makes you appear ill informed as to the actual reality on the basis of that statement.
 
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Zaknafein    RE:Americans must respect Islam( WHAT???)   5/30/2004 8:45:52 PM
Another thing is there are those who would disrespect others in America, as there are in any Islamic nation.
 
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