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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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elcid    RE:Grand Strategy   10/8/2004 6:18:35 AM
What is truly sick, Rebrooku, is your lack of respect. I actually informed you, in general terms, of the policy definition process. I informed you that there was wide consultation - consultation notable for its absense during the Clinton years - when such brilliant decisions as the Agreed Framework with North Korea and refusal to accept OBL when offered by Sudan TWICE were made. You prefer to believe the policy definition process was somehow immoral, and its conclusions were counterproductive, even when I inform you that serious opponents of the decision to invade Iraq have concluded that their fears were not justified, and the actual decision looks pretty good, retrospectively. I suggest you take the time to investigate what enemy leaders are saying. THEY say they are in danger of losing the war unless they can, from their point of view, turn Iraq around. They dread any functional form of pluralistic, responsible government in the heart of the Mideast. They feel frustrated by their failure to mount significant attacks, and the loss of people and assets to the campaign against them. Why are their preceptions, that they are losing ground, not indicators the Bush policy has indeed made you safer than if they had not suffered such reverses?
 
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elcid    RE:Grand Strategy...Why We Fight   10/8/2004 6:25:22 AM
Rebrooku - Rhetorical games aside, I feel it is safe to assure you that SWB does NOT agree with you. Not that he and I are friends - there are times I thought he was a personal enemy organizing attacks (not physical attacks) against me. But if there were terrorists outside the building he and I were in, I would trust him on my flank, or at my back, or any other useful place. But I assume you would be arguing that they were somehow motivated by hatred of neocons, and I would not trust you even to keep your head down and mouth shut while we did what needs to be done. It was always clear SWB and I knew the ones with the guns and the bombs targeting us and ours were the enemy. It is not in the least clear you know anything of the sort, so do not say he (or I or anyone here) "agrees" with you.
 
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elcid    RE: Elephant trap?   10/8/2004 6:27:35 AM
Why do you add phrases like "at the time we invaded?" Why do you excuse attacks before that time? Why do not serving Iraqi military teams dispatched to attack the USA count? We are to - what - forgive them?
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:What Is Fascist hatred?    10/8/2004 7:02:50 AM
"How about producing and broadcasting dramatizations of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" on national television networks. As was done in Egypt and Syria" That's anti-semetic how is it fascist?
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:What Is Fascist hatred?    10/8/2004 7:05:31 AM
"How about translating, printing and publicizing Arabic copies of "Mein Kampf"?" They are English translations of MK as well. "How about extolling it in your country's schools?" Which schools? How is 'extolled'. Is fascism simply MK?
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:What Is Fascist hatred?    10/8/2004 7:09:30 AM
"Carefully constructing alleged enemies, whose convenient conspiracies can be blamed for all of the failures and shortcomings of your own society is fascist hatred." So you mean McCarthyism is fascist?
 
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sorkoi2003    RE: Elephant trap? Dance troupes   10/8/2004 7:13:03 AM
Saddam Fedyeen were a dance troupe? No doubt you think Lenin and the Bolsheviks were a rock band. Perhaps, you might to want define what you mean by terrorism- since its rather protean category the deployment of which is polemical rather than analytical.
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:Hasan ibn Sabah?   10/8/2004 7:16:28 AM
All Muslims believe that paradise is better than this world, as do christians. So all of them would be despicable. What where you saying about fascist hatred (BTW what liberal hatred?).
 
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sorkoi2003    RE:What is fascist hatred?   10/8/2004 7:19:46 AM
Daniel Pipes the Islamphobe and fascist hater is your source for 'fascist hatred'.found in entire culture/religion. Hmmm. What does liberal hatred look like? Or you prefer conservative hatred and is there an American hatred or Chinese hatred?
 
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sorkoi2003    RE: Elephant trap? Clarifications   10/8/2004 7:29:07 AM
Swhitebull, just to be clear: 1.Are you denying the Abu Nidal was killed by Saddam's thugs? 2.Are you suggesting that Al-Ansar were not operating from 'liberated' Kurdistan. 3. Intell services liasing with other groups serices constitues an alliance of sorts? 4. How far do you think Saddam area of control in Iraq was following the first gulf war?
 
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