"Show us all proof of the above. You spout it out, but you cant back it up, can you?" I'll do better than that, I'll give you a personal assistant to help you research it. Email: [email protected] and ask him. He does this as a hobby and would be happy to help you understand.

I take back my previous apology: Rbrooku, sadly apparently the only thing you know how to do -is- to shoot your mouth off: you insult instead of present facts, you belittle instead of engage in discussion, and you make outrageous inferences from others replies (like your insipid "nuke the world" remark). Still waiting for the evidence on the claims of yours that I questioned in my earlier post...or should I not even bother? NewGuy

your deadly attitude is that terrorist organizations are harmless unless we come across battleplans for their invasion of america.

"...And invading and occupying Iraq is going to fix that?... Damn straight it will, when the ordinary people get a chance to live a life from the terror of saddam," And live the secure life of a country at civil war, which we unleashed? So, how's that workin's out? Oh,not so well? Ah, gee, well it ain't the fault of some boneheads in charge, it was just an unavoidable accident.

i'll do better than prove it, i'll have you email some guy named leo.

"a worse disaster is in our future regardless of who's right, regardless of us going into iraq, regardless of our president. it needs confronted, not avoided." Yes, but no point to make it worse by the choice of how we confront it. Or doesn't sparing our troops life's when resonable make any sense to you?

rbrooku wrote: "Got the whitehouse burned, butchered thousands needlessly in the civil war." Wow, you think Lincoln got thousands butchered needlessly? Do you really think you are doing anything but getting people angry at you? Why don't you try providing facts with citations for them instead of just spewing the nasty attacks I keep seeing you make.

i don't spare soldiers lives. i do my part to ensure that they get the best training and equipment. their lives are spared when we can send a tommahawk to do a pilots job. their lives will be spared when we send one tactical nuclear bunker buster to do the job of 100,000 men.

“Rbrooku, I haven't read this thread before tonight, nor have I really seen your posts a whole lot before this. But I have to say that you are treading perilously close to crossing the lines established by this board for appropriate behavior. Calling the President a smirking little twit, for example. I'm not a fan of Bush, which most everyone on the United States board knows, but I don't find any need to talk about him like that. Almost directly implying that swhitebull advocates killing people for no good reason. You've come perilously close to saying the US deserves what it gets, and that would be completely crossing the line.” Your right, I should moderate my emotions. I have noticed that losing a relative in Iraq and one at home to this war has made me less than calm. I shall endeavor to note that the President does smirk and that a twit is a pregnant goldfish, and just because the ideas of the President are of equally size with the goldfish’s progeny does not make him a twit. As for swhitebull, you’re also right, I should not respond in kind with similar language, and will endeavor to find a more appropriate equilibrium. But, I have never suggested we deserve what we get, that is entirely your conclusion. I don’t think that someone who makes a mistake driving and gets killed deserves what they get, but I also don’t believe if I have a chance to shout LOOKOUT to keep them from getting killed that I should just keep quiet because they might misunderstand. ”I'm all for disagreement and debating and discussing differing opinions. But I'll tell you straight up, one of the things that has me leaning towards voting for the Republican ticket, even though I think they have made some significant mistakes, is the petty, bitter, hatred being displayed on a daily basis by folks like you. You are not convincing anyone or making friends. “ If you base your decision on that, you would have to admit it would not be a very logical manner of making a choice. Is this where I say, “LOOKOUT”, or just be quiet and let you drive off the cliff?

"please enlighten me to where i refered to anyones mother, anyones heart or used the word noble to refer to any of your ilk." When you referred to my relatives deaths.