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Subject: Americans must respect Islam
salaam al-aqaaid    5/13/2004 10:18:35 AM
The outrageous atrocities commited by Americans at the Abu al-Grayyib prison complex speaks to a need for the United States Americans to give sensetivity training to its entire military so that they will no longer offind Muslims with the contemptious use of women as prison guards and unsavery adiction to homosexual pornographies. These things are offinsive to the Muslims community. Have you no shame? You must remove all women and homosexuals from contact with Muslim prisoners. This is offinsive.
 
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rbrooku    RE:This will make it , well, less complicated-uchiita   10/2/2004 5:19:23 PM
"I mean he is sincere, and so obviously so that any reasonable listener is persuaded." Do you understand what reason is? It is not Logic. It is instinctual, and there are three types of reasoning. What you are saying is that George W. Bush is good with appealing to empathic reasoning. Not a smart way to make strategic decisions.
 
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rbrooku    RE:This will make it , well, more humorous   10/2/2004 5:20:32 PM
"How can I send email without an address? [I did ask a SYSOPS member if he could find it so if you hear from me I figured it out" He did, and I confirmed the invite.
 
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rbrooku    RE:Post-9/11 Assescessment Who we really should ahve invaded   10/2/2004 5:28:58 PM
"Sigh, So these 'organs' arre mind readers now?" I really dispise partisanism, and am loathe to give it any credibility, but that said, see the video OutFoxed and you will get some objective data on how some "organs" actually deliberately mirror the ideas ("talking points") of the administration. Yes, OutFoxed is a partisan piece, but there is SOME objective information in it all the same. The part about the mirroring of talking points can be researched rather easily, so I did and found it to have substantial validity.
 
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oldman    RE:Query for RBrookU   10/2/2004 6:47:18 PM
"So, the population of disaffected Muslims who are willing to seek martyrdom is virtually inexhaustible, as long as they are encouraged that they can actually be Martyred (capital intended) in the fight against an active enemy of Islam (occupying a Muslim country fulfills that last part very well indeed)." That is one of the very reasons we are in Iraq. The Bush admin. believes (and I agree) we will never be safe while there is such a large disaffected population. The reason there is such a large disaffected population is there is no real freedom in the Arab world. And those three major populations are in Iraq, Iran(actually Persian) and Syria. That is where the qoute "draining the swamp" comes in to effect.
 
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elcid    RE:Regime change and Invasion of Iraq....    10/2/2004 8:31:20 PM
Let me put this another way: I am aware of major writers who read - and occasionally post - here. I am also aware of times senior officials have their staff modify articles - one of mine was so altered and I was informed after the fact by Dunnigan - after it was run. In the event the revision was reasonable, and anyway I ma a Navy guy and don't mind if the Navy wants a certain point clarified. But the fact is I am not guessing - this material is read by people who have influence on policy. At least certain parts of it (ones you could probably guess).
 
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elcid    RE:politics and literality   10/2/2004 8:38:00 PM
Sork, you are too honest and too innocent to grasp radical politics of any sort, not just the Islamic variety. Your mind is quite sharp, and you are not wrong to say things like "interpretation" and "literal" are in some sense contradictions. Politics and history are beyond comprehension if you cannot appreciate irony of many kinds, linguistic most of all. Radicals often say things that are perfectly impossible, with great passion, and no relation to useful reality (which makes them technically insane). Nevertheless, what I said remains valid, and I carefully expressed it: the radicals of Islam, in all ages and explicitly in this age, do indeed divide the world into two parts (even if the Koran does object - a radical never lets things like that bother him). Actually, they do have problems with the Koran, and there are elaborate rationalizations about why killing a certain number of normally protected persons is acceptable (eg women and children). One such rationalization places the number at "equal" to an estimate of Muslim victims of a similar sort. [I guess, after killing 11 million American innocents, they have to stop terrorist acts - if you believe this is a sincere reasoning]. Anyway, you are evading the point - by denying it exists. YOU are the enemy of OBL et al - and it is not wise to act as if you are not in this war on our side.
 
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elcid    RE:Patriotsim can be good or bad.   10/2/2004 8:46:47 PM
You are correct - patriotism can be good or bad. And you are correct, I do not think every law is always right. This is why laws can be overruled, repealed, or rendered moot in a single case because of special circumstances (e.g. the doctrine of necessity allows one even to commit what is normally a crime, in very special circumstances). I am something of a civil rights advocate, and in the days before habeus corpus was gutted by statute, I regularly would write them on a legal pad when visiting a jail or prison. [Today, after a remarkably short period, you can't do that, no matter if the injustice is clear or not]. Nor do I think a President is automatically right because he is President. But he IS president, and having served a President I personally hated, I can tell you it does not mean one should lightly oppose war policy. [One day Johnson was to visit an aricraft carrier at the (then) Long Beach Naval Shipyard. Intelligence said he was to be assassinated that day. I was part of the military police detailed to insure this did not happen on our watch on our land. I learned I was willing (secretly in my own mind) to stand in the line of fire - for a man I hated - rather than let the enemy succeed.] In the present case, the enemy is much more clear than ever it was in the Cold War. It is much more an enemy willing to kill the innocent, and in our own land. We CANNOT win if we are NOT unified. Almost ANY strategy is better than a divided effort - provided it is at all reasonable. And opposing a strategy you have not studied in a multidisciplinary sense is close to irresponsible. Odds are better than 100:1 you are wrong to oppose it.
 
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elcid    RE:Regime change and Invasion of Iraq....    10/2/2004 8:47:59 PM
Sorry Jim- I am not a Bircher. McCarthyism really did horrible things to innocent people. And it drove a great sceintist to China, to our great detriment. Utterly foolish policy.
 
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rbrooku    RE:Query for RBrookU   10/2/2004 10:27:27 PM
”That is one of the very reasons we are in Iraq. The Bush admin. believes (and I agree) we will never be safe while there is such a large disaffected population. The reason there is such a large disaffected population is there is no real freedom in the Arab world. And those three major populations are in Iraq, Iran(actually Persian) and Syria. That is where the qoute "draining the swamp" comes in to effect “ Let's hope that the technique of saving them from themselves works out.
 
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oldman    RE:Query for RBrookU   10/2/2004 11:54:16 PM
Yes. Let's hope and pray. But the point is that we MUST act. Eight years of attacks with no meaningful response insured a 9/11.
 
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