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Subject: A Bold Proposal for Iran - Time to go downtown
sofa    7/22/2006 10:58:35 PM
A Bold Proposal for Iran http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20060720.aspx July 20, 2006: Sometimes it pays to be bold. We should destroy the Iranian oil industry. By bombing all oil transportation facilities, pipelines, storage tanks, tanker trucks, refinery's etc. we can cripple the funding of numerous terrorist organizations, Hezbollah, Hama's, Sadr's militia, Syria, as well as make it more difficult for Iran to buy missiles and such from North Korea, China, and Russia. It would remove Iran's threat that if we attack they will shut off the oil. Making the threat ridiculous and demonstrating that they are a single product state and without oil, and no other product that the world wants, they are nothing. Additionally, by declaring that we will destroy any attempts to repair the oil facilities, as long as the Mullacracy remains in charge, we can focus the Iranian's blame for the situation, on the Theocracy and their support of Terrorism. This will also bring home to all the other oil producing countries like Venezuela, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, etc. that they are very vulnerable to the same tactic. In addition, this will gain us time for the Iraqi's to stand on their own, and free up troops we would need if we have to go into Iran, North Korea or somewhere else. Sure the price of gas will rise, but this will also demonstrate to the world that the United States is not in Iraq for the Oil, and the onus can be shifted on to the Democrats for not allowing more domestic production. "It's not the control of the spice but the power to destroy the spice that is the real power." It has recently been said that the nuclear production facilities in Iran are so deep that we can't reach them with conventional weapons. Perhaps so, but maybe we can starve those facilities of funds. Nuclear weapons are terribly expensive to build, and if Iran now needs all its money to repair vital civilian infrastructure, it may have to slow or stop its attempt to build an atomic bomb. Finally, Iran is a state sponsor of Terrorists, it must be punished, and it must be seen to be punished. Iran's continued sponsorship of terror is a slap in everyones face, and it must be answered. --Karl R. Maier ------------ "Let's Roll"
 
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karlmaier    RE:A Bold Proposal for Iran - Time to go downtown   8/5/2006 9:28:00 PM
I'm glade to that for all the times and places I've posted this Idea that it maybe starting to Meme. Heh, I don't think I've ever seen the word meme used that way before, as a verb. I'm so CREATIVE!!!
 
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karlmaier    RE:A Bold Proposal for Iran - Time to go downtown   8/7/2006 4:27:39 PM
Hi Sofa (your not a couch potato are you?) I have expanded on the Idea in an attempt to answer a couple of objections I have recieved. I believe this would significantly improve our strategic position in the War on Terror. We should destroy the Iranian oil industry. By Bombing all oil transportation facilities, pipelines, storage tanks, tanker trucks, rolling stock, refinery’s etc… we can cripple the funding of numerous terrorist organizations, Hezbollah, Hama’s, Sadr’s militia, Syria, as well as make it more difficult for Iran to buy missiles and such from North Korea, China, and Russia. It would remove Iran’s threat that if we attack they will shut off the oil. Making the threat ridiculous and demonstrating that they are a single product state and without oil, and no other product that the world wants, they are nothing. Additionally, by declaring that we will destroy any reconstituting oil industry as long as the Mullacracy remains in charge, we can focus the Iranian’s blame for the situation, on the Theocracy and their support of Terrorism. This will also bring home to all the other oil producing countries like Venezuela, Libya, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, etc… that they are very vulnerable to the same tactic. In addition, this will gain us time for the Iraqi’s to stand on their own, and free up troops we would need if we have to go into Iran, North Korea or somewhere else. Sure the price of gas will rise, but this will also demonstrate to the world that the USA is not in Iraq for the Oil, and the onus can be shifted on to the Democrats for not allowing more domestic production. “It’s not the control of the spice but the power to destroy the spice that is the real power.” It has recently been said that the nuclear production facilities in Iran are so deep underground that we can’t reach them with conventional weapons. Perhaps so, but maybe we can starve those facilities of funds. Nuclear weapons are terribly expensive to build, and if Iran now needs all its money to repair vital life supporting infrastructure, it may have to slow or stop its attempt to build an atomic bomb. Finally, Iran is a state sponsor of Terrorists, it must be punished, and it must be seen to be punished. Iran’s continued sponsorship of terror is a slap in America’s and President Bush’s face, and it must be answered. The following was written in response to an objection I received about having to pay more for fuel if this strategy was followed. I think you are overly concerned about the economic considerations, and not concerned enough about the need to prosecute the War on Terror to the utmost. 1. The US has a full Strategic Petroleum Reserve of 700 million Barrels, and we aren't the only nation with an SPR. What good is it if you never use it? The average price paid on that 700 million barrels was $27, so the nation would actually make a profit selling it now. 2. The only reason the US isn't energy independent now is because of political factors. 2 Trillion Barrels of oil in oil shale (see ). Any organic matter can be turned into fuel (see ). The US would and should be using much more Nuclear power if it wasn't for the Ecofreaks. There are also many areas in the US that are now off limits to drilling. All it takes is the political will to develop all of these. Higher fuel prices will provide that political pressure. 3. Iran is using diplomatic processes, just like the Nazi's before them. Talking is a waste of our time. 4. Iran subsidizes gas at $.10 a gallon, so by destroying the Iranian oil industry not only do we instantly remove 20% of their GDP. We put them all on foot, and in the dark. 5. The mullahs want to take their world back to the 7th century, we should assist them. Iran exports 2.5 million barrels of oil a day, Iranian as well as the rest of the Persian gulf oil producers, produce what is called heavy sour crude which typically sell for 20%-25% less than the benchmark sweet light crude quoted on the spot markets. So, with that understanding we can roughly calculate the gross income Iran’s economy generates from oil exports. At a price of $75 Barrel Iran will get 80% of that price for its low grade crude, or $60. $60 x $2.5 million barrels x 365 days = $54.75 billion. Now from the CIA world fact book we can see that Iran has a GNP of $564 billion. So by destroying Iran’s oil industry their GDP is cut by 10% just from the lost of exports, but the damage is much deeper than that. Iran subsidizes gasoline at $.10 a gallon and Iran consumes 1.425 million barrels of oil a day. With the oil industry destroyed the cars, trucks, trains, and power plants no longer run. That means no machinery, no electricity, and no modern economy. I can’t estimate what Iran’s GDP would decline to, but the poorest nation on earth still has cars and electricity. I think much of the population would either revolt or start walking for the boarders. They couldn’t import oil
 
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french stratege    RE:A Bold Proposal for Iran - Time to go downtown   8/22/2006 11:16:06 PM
Yes... then oil skyrocket, then Iran close Ormuz straight and unleash attack on US troops in Iraq, and destroy gulf oil refineries and terminal with ballistic missiles and oil is at 300 $ per barel...World is in a deep economic crisis with China collapsing and USA with it. Any war operation with Iran start by solving the question: how to limit disruption of oil flow in time and raise of price.
 
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reefdiver    RE:A Bold Proposal for Iran - Time to go downtown   8/23/2006 11:36:55 AM
"Any war operation with Iran start by solving the question: how to limit disruption of oil flow in time and raise of price." - Maybe the "McArthur method" - very quietly and discretely tell them if they attack any other countries they'll be receiving a visit from uncle Trident. - Actually, I'd hope to see sanctions occur first, and include an imbargo on imported gasoline. Since they import over 40% of their gasoline, this will be quite painful. (Note that in a conflict you could hurt them painfully if you just take out their few refineries). Additionally, though not likely, it would be fun if the UN would set the price to be paid for Iranian oil. If Iran wouldn't sell oil, with oil being their only source of revenue, Iran would quickly collapse. I don't see much reason to start a war. You might however antagonize the Iranians into starting one - especially since they're so encouraged by the results of the Israel-Hizbollah war. The US can't afford the international outrage caused by actually starting another war.
 
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sofa    while dangers gather   9/15/2006 3:10:14 AM
"The US can't afford the international outrage caused by actually starting another war."-reefdiver
 
Iran is another major center of terror coordination and control; Hamas, Hizballah, Syria. Iran is openly at war against US in Iraq. Iran is next phase of the same war - "Terrorists and those who support them". Iran is precisely what the war on terror is all about. Should we all wait and hope and ignore the problem (ostrich syndrom). 9/11 reminds us why we can't.
 
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From: President Bush, State of the Union Address, 29 january, 2002
 
"Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction.  Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th.  But we know their true nature.  North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.
 
Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.
Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror.  The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax, and nerve gas, and nuclear weapons for over a decade.  This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens -- leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children.  This is a regime that agreed to international inspections -- then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.
States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.  By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger.  They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred.  They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States.  In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.
We will work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology, and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction.  We will develop and deploy effective missile defenses to protect America and our allies from sudden attack.  (Applause.) And all nations should know:  America will do what is necessary to ensure our nation's security.
We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side.  I will not wait on events, while dangers gather.  I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer.  The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons.  (Applause.) "
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