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Subject: How Iran will beat the US
sofa    4/17/2006 8:03:17 PM
from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/16/do1609.xml The frightening truth of why Iran wants a bomb By Amir Taheri (Filed: 16/04/2006) Last Monday, just before he announced that Iran had gatecrashed "the nuclear club", President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad disappeared for several hours. He was having a khalvat (tête-à-tête) with the Hidden Imam, the 12th and last of the imams of Shiism who went into "grand occultation" in 941. According to Shia lore, the Imam is a messianic figure who, although in hiding, remains the true Sovereign of the World. In every generation, the Imam chooses 36 men, (and, for obvious reasons, no women) naming them the owtad or "nails", whose presence, hammered into mankind's existence, prevents the universe from "falling off". Although the "nails" are not known to common mortals, it is, at times, possible to identify one thanks to his deeds. It is on that basis that some of Ahmad-inejad's more passionate admirers insist that he is a "nail", a claim he has not discouraged. For example, he has claimed that last September, as he addressed the United Nations' General Assembly in New York, the "Hidden Imam drenched the place in a sweet light". Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low intensity, asymmetrical war. In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations. Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting, is hated by most other nations. According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman, when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel enjoys. Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he boasted. The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear weapons. Thus do not be surprised if, by the end of the 12 days still left of the United Nations' Security Council "deadline", Ahmadinejad announces a "temporary suspension" of uranium enrichment as a "confidence building measure". Also, don't be surprised if some time in June he agrees to ask the Majlis (the Islamic parliament) to consider signing the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT). Such manoeuvres would allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) director, Muhammad El-Baradei, and Britain's Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, to congratulate Iran for its "positive gestures" and denounce talk of sanctions, let alone military action. The confidence building measures would never amount to anything, but their announcement would be enough to prevent the G8 summit, hosted by Russia in July, from moving against Iran. While waiting Bush out, the Islamic Republic is intent on doing all it can to consolidate its gains in the region. Regime changes in Kabul and Baghdad have altered the status quo in the Middle East. While Bush is determined to create a Middle East that is democratic and pro-Western, Ahmadinejad is equally determined that the region should remain Islamic but pro-Iranian. Iran is now the strongest presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, after the US. It has turned Syria and Lebanon into its outer defences, which means that, for the first time since the 7th century, Iran is militarily present on the coast of the Mediterranean. In a massive political jamboree in Teheran last week, Ahmadinejad also assumed control of the "Jerusalem Cause", which includes annihilating Israel "in one storm", while launching a take-over bid for the cash-starved Hamas government in the West Bank and Ga
 
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happyman77    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/17/2006 10:08:20 PM
"The Americans are impatient," By what measure?
 
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Jerry W. Loper    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/18/2006 10:49:22 AM
If the "plan" described is really Ahmadinejad's, it shows that he doesn't have a f**king clue what he's trying to take on. In the movie [i]The Ghost and the Darkness[/i], Michael Douglas's character Remington said to Val Kilmer's character Patterson, "In prize fighting we have a saying: everybody has a plan until he gets hit. You've just been hit." Iran has not been hit yet. Ahmadinejad's "plan" depends very heavily on U.S. and Western largesse; he can't possibly imagine what the U.S. and West are capable once it sinks in to their leaders they're in a culture war to the finish.
 
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reefdiver    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/18/2006 12:15:52 PM
Iran will not beat the US in a war. They're betting that no one will support the US in a war. They're betting that Russia and China will not support the US in the UN. They're betting that no one in the Middle East will allow attacks to be launched from their runways. They're betting that the US, would not risk bottling up a sufficient # of their CSG's in the Gulf to launch enough aircraft for a war. I note that Iranian officials are making trips to almost all the Gulf states, seeking to assure all this. They're visiting China and Russia, other Asian countries, and even Venezeula drumming up support. And you know what? They're winning. This is how they're going to win - by assuring there is no war and thus assuring they can obtain nuclear weapons. Hey - Russia and China have already said they will not even support sanctions. Tony Blair has said the UK will absolutely not support a military strike on Iran. Germany will do likewise. When push comes to shove, France will sit down, as will the rest of the EU. Iran, along with Pakistan, India and Mongolia, is being made a full member of Shanghai Cooperation Organization - which includes Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. This is no doubt partly to help assure the US does not attack Iran. The US is already beaten.
 
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reefdiver    Another way Iran is already winning   4/18/2006 12:51:26 PM
Oil: $70.88 / barrel. Almost makes you wonder if part of the reason for Iran to crank up tension isn't to enrich their coffers. Create a crisis, watch the price of oil go up. Every single time. And hey - more money means more weapons.
 
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Admiral Kirk    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/18/2006 6:41:25 PM
I for the life of me cannot understand on how people are saying Iran has beat the US? What has Iran won? So what if they get nuclear weapons. Who cares. It is one thing to have them, it is another if you use them. The US military can easily defeat Iran militarily in a matter of weeks. There is no question of this. So what has Iran won? The president of Iran is as loony as they come.....you might even state...mirrors Hitler. Its high time the US stop sending money to Russia to dismantle weapons. It is high time the US stop aiding all countries. We need to take care of the US. If Iran did use nuclear weapons....you may consider Iran to be leveled. Peace Folks. Admiral Kirk
 
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reefdiver    RE:Iran and nuke weapons   4/18/2006 8:08:31 PM
The US has only been beaten figuratively, in that Iran will probably attain nuclear weapon production. It has done this by assuring the isolation of the US in an attack. Nonetheless, I'm not entirely convinced Iran will use nuclear weapons even on Israel. They will however use their posession of nuclear weapons in several other ways: * The most dangerous is giving them to someone else, but this is very risky. On this I believe the US should unilaterally make a public statement that should a terrorist nuke ever go off in either the US or its allies, it will be assumed that Iran provided it regardless of how many other countries in the world, including N. Korea, could have provided it. As such it will immediately result in a full annilation retaliatory response consisting of a minimum of 'n' thermonuclear weapon launched at Iran. In this case, "With great power comes great accountability". * They will use them to intimidate the US and neighbors from acting on the fact that Iran is bankrolling much of the Islamic terrorism around the world. In other words they can continue to bankrupt the US by continuing the GWOT. At the same time, their support for terrorism will keep ratching up the price of oil providing them with a continuing windfall. * They will use it to convince Islamic radicals throughout the world that the US is a paper tiger that they beat by not backing down. In other words, to show that Islam can eventually take over the world if all of Islam stands up to the US. Cheers.
 
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happyman77    RE:Iran and nuke weapons   4/18/2006 9:15:56 PM
"will keep ratching up the price of oil providing them with a continuing windfall." That will ultimately backfire, the market will force conservation and a migration to other sources of energy.
 
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reefdiver    RE:Oil and conservation   4/18/2006 9:25:03 PM
"the market will force conservation and a migration to other sources of energy." - One can only hope... I contend it might be a good idea to attack Iran if only to force oil to $100+ and finally get the US to start a "Manhattan Project" to become totally independent of Non-North American (US+Canada+ maybe Mexico?) sources of energy.
 
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sofa    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/19/2006 12:21:23 AM
Iran strategy is to keep US from attacking, since they could not hope to survive. So they delay and isolate US, and it's working. Iran is showing US to be paper tiger. US is not acting when it's clear Iran is fighting US in Iraq, and Iran has been conducting "lebanon style offensive" on Europe and the US and the west in general for years. US window for action is closing. GWB may have hoped to delay until after mid-term elections, but Iran is making sure he doesn't have that long. Iran has been effective in isolating US. Is US doesn't devastate Iran soon, then Iran dominates region and has again shown US to be lame and ineffective. If Iran is irrational and hasty, then they use nukes, and US retaliates, killing millions in nuclear exchange. If Iran is rational and patient, then Iran dominates region, Iraq and Afghanistan, and solidifies Shia terrorist infrastructure. The Koran and Islamic history is pretty clear: The "Lebanization of the west" follows. Dhimmitude. Burkas instead of bikinis at the beach! US surrenders Afganistan and Iraq if Iran survives. War on terror is now completely about Iran. Without Iran, the US loses. With Iran terror infrastructure devastated, US may at least delay losing for another 50 years, and may even be able to push back Islam. I'm convinced that the situation for the west will never be as good as NOW. We must devastate the Shia terrorist infrastructure while we have a dominant military capability and advantageous geographical position over Iran. Messy and Bad. US likely will have to go it alone. But there is no chance the situation will ever get better. And doing nothing is the worst option of all. I'm worried, but haven't given up on action. Is GWB pulling a Jimmy Carter and backing down from Iran again? Or is GWB letting them be complacent before a strategic surprise attack (aka the 'rolling start')?
 
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reefdiver    RE:How Iran will beat the US   4/19/2006 12:37:16 AM
I have this extremely moribund hope that Bush follows through. It gives one a head and stomachache to imagine either attacking Iran or not attacking Iran. Either way it way be painful. I think however that it is not wise to risk the potential future. Would that more would have felt that way during Hitlers rise.
 
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