Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Iran Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Why does Iran hate Israel?
TriggaFingaz    10/30/2004 11:05:52 AM
I ask this becoz apart from the usual 'hate infidels' thinking behind the Khomeni revolution, the Israelis supported the Shia Muslim factions in Lebanon during the 1980s. The Shia and Israelis had a common enemy in the PLO who had turned Lebanon into their playground of pillage, looting and terrorist raids. So when the IDF invaded and cleaned out the PLO's clock, many Shia welcomed the Israelis as brothers. Yet, Iran's creation the Hizbollah would be able to gather enough power to make the IDF presence in south Lebanon unteneble and now Iran makes a lot of threats about nuking Israel. Why, when Iran's coreligionists in Lebanon benefitted from Israel's attack on the PLO there????
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: 1 2
P3RSIAN    RE:Why does Iran hate Israel?   10/30/2004 12:22:36 PM
Lets get 1 thing straigth! Iran doesnt hate Isreal! The Crazy Leaders do! Now im not saying the people like ISreals. For one reason Isreals are openly killin palestinian with no consequence.
 
Quote    Reply

swhitebull    RE:Why does Iran hate Israel?   10/30/2004 2:13:48 PM
..For one reason Isreals are openly killin palestinian with no consequence .. I think you have that backwards- 1200 dead Israeli civilians delberately murdered by PALIS would dispute that - IF THEY COULD talk. As statistics show - and have been published on THIS website MANY times - the bulk of the Palestinian deaths have been young men between the ages of 17 and 35 - militay age men engaged in terrorist acts, or killed as collaborators by other Palestinians. As for consequences? Ask those dead PALI terrorists who have died going up against the IDF, or their leadership who has been APPROPRIATELY targetted and terminated with extreme prejudice. As for the Iranians and the Israelis, there has ALWAYS been a warm and close relationship. Look at the reaction of the Israelis when Bam when destroyed by the earthquake - and how the AYATOLLAHS turned the offer of aid down. I am sure that that people of Bam appreciated their government's response - as Ive written about before. The radio call in show in Farsi in Israel - hosted by the Iranian Jewish military person (high rank name eludes me) was swampled with calls from Iran. I have NO DOUBT that once these bastards are removed, close ties will emerge again between the Iranian people and the Israelis. swhitebull
 
Quote    Reply

P3RSIAN    RE:Why does Iran hate Israel?   10/30/2004 2:30:36 PM
" have NO DOUBT that once these bastards are removed, close ties will emerge again between the Iranian people and the Israelis." Yes i hope so! But i definetly dont want to live in a puppet goverment like the Iraqi's and afghans! ps- A 12 year old girl walking to school being shot 20 is not a middle aged man commiting acts of terrorism!
 
Quote    Reply

swami    RE:Why does Iran hate Israel?   11/4/2004 1:23:40 PM
Why do fanatical Muslim theocrats hate a Jewish state?.. Umm.....Anti-semitism, maybe? I think westerners tend to place politics over religion and assume that the rest of the world does the same. I see the same thing being done with Al Queda. With religious fanatics, religion always trumps politics, and prejudice always trumps common interest. Just so I am clear, I do not think that the Iranian people think this way, just their rulers and the minority of the people that support the government.
 
Quote    Reply

TriggaFingaz    With the Lebanon context   11/5/2004 6:20:21 PM
OK, I understand that the mullahs of Iran, like Arabs and Muslims in general, do not recognise the right for Israel to defend itself that's why they would have denounced or militarily opposed the Lebanon invasion. But what I am stumped about is, HOW DID HIZBOLLAH MANAGE to get so many Shia recruits in a place where Shias have benefitted from the Israelis trashing the PLO who behaved so brutally towards Christian AND Muslims in Lebanon? Something must have occured to turn so many Lebanese against the Israelis who liberated them.
 
Quote    Reply

P3RSIAN    RE:With the Lebanon context   11/5/2004 7:25:03 PM
Seriously this question is really hard to answer! heres another question why does the whole world hate jews?
 
Quote    Reply

swami    RE:Why does the whole world hate Jews?   11/6/2004 1:04:25 AM
Unfortunately, in this world religious prejudice is more the rule rather than the exception. Jews have also almost always been minorities in foreign countries. Add to that the fact that Jews tend to be very talented entrepreneurs making them far more properous than the majority. Prosperous minorities are always resented, particularly when they are of a different religion. The world is better off with the Jews here. The world should stop hating them, and start learning from them.
 
Quote    Reply

GBU28    RE:With the Lebanon context   12/20/2004 10:40:02 AM
Originally written by TriggaFingaz: OK, I understand that the mullahs of Iran, like Arabs and Muslims in general, do not recognise the right for Israel to defend itself that's why they would have denounced or militarily opposed the Lebanon invasion. But what I am stumped about is, HOW DID HIZBOLLAH MANAGE to get so many Shia recruits in a place where Shias have benefitted from the Israelis trashing the PLO who behaved so brutally towards Christian AND Muslims in Lebanon? Something must have occured to turn so many Lebanese against the Israelis who liberated them. ---------------- The reason is that the Israelis were there to prop up the christian dominated government in lebanon, which has traditionally dominated, excluded, and left in poverty, the shia majority in Lebanon. Secondly, when the PLO took refuge in the Bakka valley where the Shia were concentrated, the Israelis bombed Shia villages in the hope that the Shia would turn over the Palis to them. The Israelis committed many atrocities against the Shia; this caused the Shia to turn against the Israelis. Just for historical accuracy, Iran didn't create Hezbollah; Hezbollah originated from Amal. Amal was a Shiite milita founder by Imam Sadr in Lebanon (and Iranian born cleric who moved to Lebanon to help the traditionally down trodden Shia). He organized the shia into a politcal force in lebanon, and when civil war broke out in 1975, he organized and created Amal to protect the Shia. In the late 1970 or early 80's, Amal split due to ideological differences, and a splinter group formed called Islamic Amal. Islamic Amal was later transformed into what is modern day Hezbollah with the help of the Iranian revolutionary guards. However, as one can see, the seeds of Hezbollah were sown and pre-dated the Iranian revolution and Iranian assistance.
 
Quote    Reply

GBU28    RE:Why does Iran hate Israel?   12/23/2004 1:36:00 AM
Iranians don't hate jews, and they don't hate Israel. Their stance toward Israel has little to do with Israel per se; it has to do with the politcs of the region- specfically, Iran's relationship with the Arabs. Iran's hostile policy toward Israel is a means to an end; it allows Iran to enjoy better relations with the rest of the region, and in return, only loses Iran a strategically unimportant relationship with Israel. Simply put, by being hostile to Israel, buys Iran the support and apathy of most of the Arab regimes in the region, instead of having several hostile relationships with several arab states. It is about trade offs. Now, the whole problem with this logic is this: chosing good relations with many Arab states over good relations with Israel seems to make sense in a vaccum, but it doesn't make sense when you factor the U.S. into the equation. By making Israel an enemy, you make the U.S. your enemy. This, however, then gets into Iranian politics. As I believe Stratego stated in another thread, the Iranian regime actually benefits from having an external enemy in which to put blame onto and use as scapegoat for the inadequacies of the regime. It can point to U.S. hostility as the reason for the problems Iranians face; they can say it is U.S. sanctions and the U.S.'s efforts to prevent Iran from joining the WTO that cause the sagging economy, high level of inflation, lack of foreign investment, and therefore high unemployment rates. They can also suppress democracy forces in Iran under the rhetoric of these people being agents of the U.S. and Israel. The list goes on and on. However, it seems that this policy, does make strategic sense in a twisted and manipulative sort of way, at least in an Iranian sense. Anyway, the article below should give some excellent incite into this interesting dynamic in Iranian foreign policy. ------------- An Iranian-Israeli alliance will be hard to revive By Trita Parsi Wednesday, December 22, 2004 http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=11198 There is a romantic suggestiveness to the relations between Persians and Jews that has survived the hostility between Iran and Israel. As comfortable as it may be to remember the heyday of Israeli-Iranian ties as such, there has never been anything romantic about the real political cooperation they enjoyed before the Iranian revolution. Today, the same forces that once brought the two together are fueling a rivalry between them that perplexes those trapped in the romantic memories of yesteryear. The essence of the Iranian-Israeli entente in the 1960's and 1970's was not the inevitability of a non-Arab alliance against the Arab masses per se, but a congruence of interests formed by the configuration of power in the region. Iran and Israel shared interests because they shared common threats - the Soviet Union and militant Arab states. In the power balance of the region at the time, an Iranian-Israeli entente made sense regardless of the non-Arab makeup of the two countries. But the balance thrived in a logic of its own in which the very basis of the alliance was threatened if either country managed to improve relations with its neighbors. Since Arab-Israeli hostilities ran deeper than Arab-Persian grievances, Israel needed Iran more than vice versa. Correspondingly, any political or diplomatic development that undermined the basis of this relationship was more likely to benefit Iran than Israel. Indeed, Iran - whose relative power was surging in the 1970's and which aspired to play a dominant role in the affairs of the region and beyond - was bound to betray the alliance since its rapid growth defied the very equilibrium the entente was founded on. Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi aptly understood that he could neither obtain nor maintain Iran's position as the pre-eminent power of the Persian Gulf through arms and oil alone. Iran needed to be seen as a legitimate power in the eyes of the Arabs as well, which meant it could not forever treat the Arabs as enemies and balance them through Iranian military might. Not only was a more conciliatory policy necessary, therefore, but befriending the Arabs also guaranteed Iran's long-term security most efficiently. Improved Iranian-Arab relations, however, could not be achieved while Iran maintained close ties to Israel. Only weeks after signing the Algiers Accord with Iraq in spring 1975, the shah described the need for a new approach to regional affairs to Egyptian journalist Mohammed Hassanein Heikal: "We followed the principle 'my enemy's enemy is my friend,' and our relations with Israel began to develop. But now the situation has changed ... I think occasionally of a new equilibrium in the region ... Perhaps [it] can be integrated into an Islamic framework." Having sealed Iran's hegemonic position in the Persian Gulf in strategic terms through the Algiers Accord, the shah began distancing himself from the Jewish
 
Quote    Reply

Shirrush    RE: Trita Parsi lies, but why?   12/27/2004 1:40:49 PM
One of the first actions of the Mullah's regime, immediately after it ousted the Shah and started terrorizing the Iranians into submission, was to turn Israel's embassy building in Teheran to the PLO, Arafat's gang. Saying that Iranian support to Palestinian terrorism was a purely dialectical thing until 1992, is a white-faced lie that cannot be overlooked. The mass murder of Jews in Buenos Aires, Argentina, by the mullahcracy's intel operatives, also was in 1986 if I remember well.
 
Quote    Reply
1 2



 Latest
 News
 
 Most
 Read
 
 Most
 Commented
 Hot
 Topics