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Subject: Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?
TXAggie93    1/22/2004 4:11:51 PM
Can france take back french Guaina from Brazil or would they fail? What would it take for french to take it back? Would other South American force come to Brazil's aid? Would the USA say let Brazil have it?
 
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Ad    Question   1/28/2004 12:51:06 PM
Why don’t you answer Strateges question, or mine. How will you attack a platform 500+ miles off shore? Or. How can any military base its doctrine for success on luck??
 
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TXAggie93    RE:Question   1/28/2004 1:14:57 PM
Well Brazil does have a aircraft carrier and some Type 29. Plus you have land based aircraft too. Pluss at 500+ miles you decrease the amount of time that your aircraft can stay on station and increase your fuel consuption. Would france be able to take it back by naval blockaid alone? Because if they have to land troops then that naval force will have to move closer than 500+ miles or does france have enough naval power to protect the carrier and pull off a invasion?
 
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french stratege    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 3:27:43 AM
You forget that France have SSN and also an other carrier in 6/7 years.With France technological superiority Brasilian navy will nor exist soon.Also if France has to make an operation like this we would prepare before.6 months or two years if necessary.In this time French forces will be greatly increase and much much more than Brasil as we have top indigeneous military industry and money.Also we would probably seized an island to get airbases for air force.Brasil have reduced forces not enough to protect their seashore.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 9:52:01 AM
>>Also if France has to make an operation like this we would prepare before.6 months or two years if necessary. In this time French forces will be greatly increase and much much more than Brasil as we have top indigeneous military industry and money.<< Ummm . . . wouldn't giving Brazil 6-24 months to prepare for French attack tend to also result in the Brazilians gunning up their military? They may not be as financially affluent as France, nor have the same level of domestic military industries, but they don't have to match a French build-up one for one, only enough to inflict serious casualties on France or disrupt logistics support to an invasion, etc. >>Also we would probably seized an island to get airbases for air force.<< So you're going to war with Trinidad and Tobago as well? "Seizing" anything in the western hemisphere would probably trigger an American termination of your counter-attack, even if the US signed off on evicting Brazil from Guiana. >>Brasil have reduced forces not enough to protect their seashore << The Brazilian military is actually somewhat antiquated in being built around the concept of having the opportunity to mobilize reserves, etc., before a war. They have a large body of former conscripts who could be easily recalled to the colors to greatly expand their military. Your 6-24 month delay strategy plays to their strengths.
 
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TXAggie93    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 11:12:52 AM
french stratege 6-24th months would the french people stand for that length of time or would the french people be more of the opinion let them have it? Well if I was france I would send the subs right away do something to keep Brazil off balanced. But I think you under estimate how hard it will be to take back Guaina from Brazil. What would be the closest friendly port for france and what islands are you planing on taking? Where is Harpoon IV when you need it. I would love to simulate the naval battle alone without the ground aspects except for airdefense's
 
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french stratege    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 12:30:40 PM
There are some Brazilian island on the map.The closest friendly port for france would be Dakar probably (or an English island).Maybe could we implied Paraguay,venezuela or Peru in exchange for them of Brazilian territories.In six months Brazilian army would have difficulties to expand : to find suppliers or to train on new hardware (contrary to the French).Cruise missile and PGM can be deployed quicker than planes.Brazilian logistic supply line with Guyana would be hard to maintain.No road but jungle tracks and use of sea risky.
 
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northernguy    RE:Question...TXAggie93..   1/29/2004 1:47:14 PM
TXAggie93 makes a good point about the French fleet strategy. The French can sit their capital assets 500 miles offshore or they can launch an invasion force but unless they get a new navy they can't do both at once. What I wonder is how much of an air campaign the French can mount from a single small carrier that has to be constantly protected from a possible surface or air attack? I'm not referring to single sortie interdictions but to a campaign of day after day (and night) attacks that make it impossible for Brazil to support defending forces. How many actual planes would France have available for an air based interdiction campaign? How many planes does the CDG have available for air cover? One strategy that the Brazilians could employ would be to allow the French to get ashore and then take out the logistical tail. After all, Brazil is a major aircraft manufacturing country. It would be a technically simple matter to locate and convert a couple of hundred commercial aircraft into bomb trucks. As previous posters have pointed out Brazil does have a navy as well as a modern airforce (provided by the French!) and air to ship missiles (provided by the French!). I'm sure that soon people will be flaming me about how CDG air defense system can track a couple of hundred contacts simultaneously but that's not the same as responding to them simultaneously. The Brazilians could simply send in a mass wave attacks of mixed forces of fast movers, bomb trucks, decoys etc. until the French air defenders ran out of ammunition and fuel providing the opportunity for the survivors to direct 747 loads of missiles, mines and laser guided bombs at the CDG. What if a dozen bomb trucks got through? What if several dozen got through? Who is counting on luck now? Such an attack would obviously be expensive for the Brazilians but would be a catastrophic defeat for the French. Without the CDG there is no sustainable French attack on to the shores of South America. Whatever forces are already ashore are lost. The coalition forces had a dozen carriers in Iraq and they still had to put 150,000 troops onto the ground. Oh, and the French said that the Americans would be torn to pieces because they used such a light attacking force. If Brazil took Guiana the French wouldn't even try to respond militarily. Northernguy
 
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french stratege    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 2:07:20 PM
France have always warned that in case of a major treat on its national interest, if we can not win conventional we would go nuclear, at least on tactical weapons (but ASMP has 300 kt warhead). You did not answer on Islands and I can not see Brazil defend north, Isalnd and Southern part in the same time with its existing (or even after a year of preparation) forces
 
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TXAggie93    RE:Question...TXAggie93..   1/29/2004 2:11:26 PM
northernguy The main reason I made this post was to figure out if the CDG was the right choice or should france have gone with the LHA model. I think if they do not have to land ground force the CDG works fine. But I do not think thats the case if they have to land troops. Ok who has been to Brazil? I have not been there yet so I do not know how would Brazil keep its troops supplied. Would it be by road, boat, or air? The have the Amazon.
 
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TXAggie93    RE:Brazil Invades french Guaina-will it stay Brazil Guaina?   1/29/2004 2:17:40 PM
french stratege Is NUKE first really the game plan for france? If so I do not think that would set well with the America or that matter the rest of world. Tatical or not. Hell the USA is catching e for their inability to insure no colatoral damage or deaths. So is that a pratical tatic? The threat might but the use might be a different ballgame.
 
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