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Subject: ALIENS CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING - SERIOUSLY!
RockyMTNClimber    6/21/2007 12:30:31 PM
This is to put a final nail in the coffin of global warming. Man can not change the earth's tempurature. No evidence has ever or will ever compell science to say that. This is a silly notion played for political and religious resons. Below is a well thought out essay that everyone who believes in global warming, leprichans, and the stork that delivers babies should read. Check Six Rocky "Aliens Cause Global Warming" A lecture by Michael Crichton California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA January 17, 2003 My topic today sounds humorous but unfortunately I am serious. I am going to argue that extraterrestrials lie behind global warming. Or to speak more precisely, I will argue that a belief in extraterrestrials has paved the way, in a progression of steps, to a belief in global warming. Charting this progression of belief will be my task today. Let me say at once that I have no desire to discourage anyone from believing in either extraterrestrials or global warming. That would be quite impossible to do. Rather, I want to discuss the history of several widely-publicized beliefs and to point to what I consider an emerging crisis in the whole enterprise of science-namely the increasingly uneasy relationship between hard science and public policy. I have a special interest in this because of my own upbringing. I was born in the midst of World War II, and passed my formative years at the height of the Cold War. In school drills, I dutifully crawled under my desk in preparation for a nuclear attack. It was a time of widespread fear and uncertainty, but even as a child I believed that science represented the best and greatest hope for mankind. Even to a child, the contrast was clear between the world of politics-a world of hate and danger, of irrational beliefs and fears, of mass manipulation and disgraceful blots on human history. In contrast, science held different values-international in scope, forging friendships and working relationships across national boundaries and political systems, encouraging a dispassionate habit of thought, and ultimately leading to fresh knowledge and technology that would benefit all mankind. The world might not be a very good place, but science would make it better. And it did. In my lifetime, science has largely fulfilled its promise. Science has been the great intellectual adventure of our age, and a great hope for our troubled and restless world. But I did not expect science merely to extend lifespan, feed the hungry, cure disease, and shrink the world with jets and cell phones. I also expected science to banish the evils of human thought---prejudice and superstition, irrational beliefs and false fears. I expected science to be, in Carl Sagan's memorable phrase, "a candle in a demon haunted world." And here, I am not so pleased with the impact of science. Rather than serving as a cleansing force, science has in some instances been seduced by the more ancient lures of politics and publicity. Some of the demons that haunt our world in recent years are invented by scientists. The world has not benefited from permitting these demons to escape free. But let's look at how it came to pass. Cast your minds back to 1960. John F. Kennedy is president, commercial jet airplanes are just appearing, the biggest university mainframes have 12K of memory. And in Green Bank, West Virginia at the new National Radio Astronomy Observatory, a young astrophysicist named Frank Drake runs a two week project called Ozma, to search for extraterrestrial signals. A signal is received, to great excitement. It turns out to be false, but the excitement remains. In 1960, Drake organizes the first SETI conference, and came up with the now-famous Drake equation: N=N*fp ne fl fi fc fL Where N is the number of stars in the Milky Way galaxy; fp is the fraction with planets; ne is the number of planets per star capable of supporting life; fl is the fraction of planets where life evolves; fi is the fraction where intelligent life evolves; and fc is the fraction that communicates; and fL is the fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live. This serious-looking equation gave SETI an serious footing as a legitimate intellectual inquiry. The problem, of course, is that none of the terms can be known, and most cannot even be estimated. The only way to work the equation is to fill in with guesses. And guesses-just so we're clear-are merely expressions of prejudice. Nor can there be "informed guesses." If you need to state how many planets with life choose to communicate, there is simply no way to make an informed guess. It's simply prejudice. As a result, the Drake equation can have any value from "billions and billions" to zero. An expression that can mean anything means nothing. Speaking precisely, the Drake equation is literally meaningless, and has nothing to do with science. I take the hard view that science involv
 
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eldnah       6/27/2007 11:53:21 AM
What is the optimal temperature for our feverish world. Is the ideal temperature for the US the same as that for China. If not who gets to decide what temperature the world will be? Will there be temperature wars as nations struggle to optimize the temperature that best suits their agendas? Just a few ideas in case some of us need something else to worry about.
 
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Ehran       6/27/2007 12:56:14 PM
progress of a sort is indeed being made.  even the reluctant will now admit global warming is going on though they continue to deny we have any role in it.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Nothing to deny Ehran   6/27/2007 2:04:20 PM

progress of a sort is indeed being made.  even the reluctant will now admit global warming is going on though they continue to deny we have any role in it.


There is no science that there are changes on a geologic scale. We simply do not know what is normal and we don't have enough data to suggest we are effecting any change that might exist.
Progress will be measured by science not this new psuedo religion.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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Jeff_F_F       6/27/2007 9:09:17 PM

What is the optimal temperature for our feverish world. Is the ideal temperature for the US the same as that for China. If not who gets to decide what temperature the world will be? Will there be temperature wars as nations struggle to optimize the temperature that best suits their agendas? Just a few ideas in case some of us need something else to worry about.


FEVERISH? Our planet currently is so cold that there are periodic glaciations where most of the planet freezes over! Consider that a mere 23 million years ago, when Antarctica was still joined to South America before the Drake Passage formed, there were not polar ice caps at all. Antarctica had forests, and it wasn't that much further north, just that it wasn't surrounded by the Antractic Circumpolar Curent.
 
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Godofgamblers       6/27/2007 9:25:06 PM


I never thought that I would agree with a dinosaur like Rocky but I have to say that I am 100% with him on this scam called global warming. <Heorot





 I will gratefully accept my victories where I find them... 
 
HAHA! You can roll with the punches, Rocky! I admire that! Thanks for the laugh
 
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Jeff_F_F       6/27/2007 9:56:29 PM
I wish I could say global warming was happening, because the world needs it, but there just is not evidence of any sustained warming trend. The warming we are seeing today could evaporate tomorrow, and 20 years from now we could be locked into a cooling trend for all anyone knows. It isn't that we aren't getting warmer right now, it is just that since we don't know what is causing it, that we can't say it is going to continue. If it is solar radiation, the sun could start cooling down tomorrow. If it is cosmic rays, those could decrease as well. We just don't know.
 
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DropBear       6/27/2007 10:35:57 PM
Actually, the continuing ability for my fellow Americans to drive dirty great trucks (I don't, but my car only gets 8km/l, is that dirty enough?) is more important to me than say, Europe.  Oh, and you can throw in Asia, Africa, and South America, too.  But at least I don't care if you drive your own dirty great trucks, so knock yourself out.
 

Crikey, what on eartrh are you driving!?
 
Curious.
 
 
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DropBear       6/27/2007 10:40:33 PM
displacedjim,
 
Are you driving around in some compact lithium battery charged hybrid or something???
 
My sedan gulps at least 12-16litres/100km.
 
Can you really get 800km out of 10litres of fuel in yours???
 
Curious (and somewhat shocked).
 
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DropBear    oops   6/27/2007 10:43:10 PM
 
Made a mistake there. Added an extra zero.
 
Ignore previous posts.
 
 
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displacedjim       6/28/2007 1:16:14 AM

 

Made a mistake there. Added an extra zero.

 

Ignore previous posts.

 




:-)  It happens.
 
I would almost like to say I get 10 times better gas mileage, but actually I wouldn't since I know that couldn't be possible and still keep my black/black 2004 Ford Mustang GT Mach1 rated at 310hp.  It's my first muscle car since my '72 Chevy Chevelle as a kid, and it's worth the extra gas money to feed the extra horses--the Netherlands be danged.  So when you're treading water over in Europe, think of me having a blast rolling on down the highway.
 
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