You don't sound like you're European so it's easy for you to judge us (I'm half) without any facts other than 'EU worked between mostly homogenous nations so it'll work with Turkey'. This is stupid.

Now unless you become dictator of Europe we'd like to start with Albania first.

 

Historical facts, which tend true over time (for example 600 million dead Hindus at the hand of Islam) state the Muslims nearly destroyed Christianity and Europe in its current forms at least twice, with the Turks being responsible for half of it and the death of the vast majority of the Greek peoples and civilizations, not to mention a large number of Armenians and Kurds up until this day. And their endless propaganda (I know the Crusades were brutal but they wer eessentially a counteroffensive).

So the next time before you come over and tell us we're 'fools' for having memories longer than a mayfly and letting in a civilization known for killing and stepping on us, then maybe you should consider them AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW!

There's nothing to suggest Turkey is on a new path... Ataturk's legacy has gasped its last few breaths.

So yes, burning down bible factories, Islamizing the nation - all parts of a regression to its historical standards, with a few exceptions like slightly better treatment of Kurds these days.

 

So I suggest you politely rethink your statements and put some time into it next time you judge someone. Europe hasn't overrun genocided Turks (with the exception of counteroffensive and raids through territory with isolated massacres) wherever they were with military forces anytime during the last 1500 year, and there's Cyprus, Crete, Armenia, Anatolia, Constantinople, Bulgaria, Rome, Rumania, Vienna, the entirity of the Balkans, Greece, the African Greek colonies just off the top of my head (rly).

Goodness forbid you continue to confuse tourist trips in both regions (which are very hospitable to strangers) with war, their deeper relationship to their neighbors and history.

 

At any rate they seem to be getting better along these days.

Hi friends just found this Great forum and i was reading your opinions about an outcome of possible war between Greece and Turkey.I just want to share my opinion with you guys.

  My view is that no war will take place between Greece and Turkey.They are both Nato members ,Greece is EU Member and Turkey is looking become one.On the other side a War between 2 countries will involve more nations .First of all Russia.I have to remind something to all of you.Western Thrace  specially the city of Alexandroupoli is in high interest and protected  from Russia.Why?Cause there is a building pipeline gas from Bulgarian city Burgas to Greek city Alexandrapoyli. Meaning that a possible Battlefield in Thrace is involiving Russia to War.On the other hand Greece has a political and military support from Franche.Franche has supporting Greece the past years and lately proved it, by making a Veto to FYROM for being member to NATO.On the other hand a possible conflict will establish an non stable situation inside Turkey.I do not know  the reaction from millions of Kurds ,the reaction from Armenia and the reaction from middle east countries.No one knows but the turks will take in consider that facts.

 But let's say that all of these kind of problems are  no existable and a war will take place.The question is for how many Days?I am saying that cause both Greece and Turkey, do not have the power supporting a long time war among them.No internal millitary heavy industry for both countries and i am really cosndering as a fact that the major suppliers are willing to support them by ammunition and spares.Also both countries do not have strong economies for supporting a long time war,specially Turkey is in worst codition.A possible conflict  means a disaster for both countries.

 At this paragraph i'll try to explain and i am willing sending some questions for answers.In a modern war air and sea supperiority is the key for winning a War.Appart from the fact that Turkey has a few more old phantoms the game is Betwwen f-16 and Mirage 2000(only Greece have them).Seeing the number of them .170 f-16 and 42 mirage for Greece and 210 f-16 for Turkey.Seeing that numbers makes me wonder who has air supeeriority special for Turkey  cause they have to cover more war Terrain instead of Greece.Except from that fact ,Turkey has block 30/40 and 50 but Greece has 90 block 52+ with JHIMCS cask equipted with IRIS-T missles.I really considering what is the Advantage for Greeks?On the other Hand mirage jets proved the capabilities in a modern Dogfights.Also the new mirage are equipted with the leathal air to Ground Scalp Eg missle.This means problems to Turkey considering the fact that those missles are able to hit high interset strategic targets inside Turkey from a distance to 350km(i am not sure for that ,i think i read it to Jane's site).On the other hand from a resent research i saw that Turkish pilots have to manage with patriot,s300,torm1,crotale plus more modern anti aircraft systems.How Turkey is possible to avoid these anti aircraft systems considering that the they are not able to take out them and that is for sure, cause these systems are able to taking down planes from long distance.The only way for taking out this systems is with popey missles .But how is able to firing these missles when a s300 has already blocked the plane in a distance where the popey missle is not able hitting it?These are a few questions about air supperiority and i am not taking in fact the AWACS (Saab air radars) the Greeks have and a few more.Now Let's go the sea.I am  considering the fact that Greece has an Excellent NAVY ,well equipted with exocets,fast attack ships and now from what i am reading they are willing buying the French frigate FREMM with scalp naval missle.Making a google search i saw what a scalp naval missle can do.From what i am seeing has the same capabilities with a Tomahawk missle and also can take off target from 1000 km distance.This means a lot of problems.Nevertheless i am not taking that as a fact cause Greece doesn't have already these missles just like Turkey does not have the F-35 planes.At last i left the Army .Turkey has more human numbers and that is a fact.But in a modern war ,buttons are calculated and not humans.The only land where a Battlefield can take palce is Thrace.This means RUSSIA involvement cosnidering the fact that i claimed at my fisrt post.On the other hand Turkish Army have to manage with heavy Artirely like new Leopards,MlLRS ,Multiple launce rockets systems like RM-70 ,PHZ -2000 and lots of more eqiupment the Greeks have.Also Turkey is not ablebasing all of the Army in tharace,that will be a strategic mistake .Why?With what kind of equipment Turkey is willing to protect other borders?

 That's my opinion Guys and meaby is wrong i am not a military expert.I wish never a War will take place.Peace to t

First of all i dont think there is any reasone why Greeks and Turks should go in war.

Secondly look into History. If you do so you would see that Turks are warriors by racial. Turks used to grow up as warriors and have very powerful skills in war.

Greeks have a very powerfull history and culture.Spartans do not exist anymore.What does exists now days is Corpatocrasy. And this means that Greece and Turkey actualy does not exists anymore.Greek companies have taken over alot of balcanian countries as american companies are roaming in the whole world.Turkey does not have the actual economy or the knowledge to understand this. Turkey is back in 1453 victory and stayed there until now.

They cant understand that a country is not taken over with weapons anymore and that is because they lived as warriors not as philosofers.

In fact we don?t even know that we taking over turkey by banks and corporations. But its happening.In fact Greece is already in Iraq extracting money from the country with telephone companies and more is coming.You dont need weapons and military to conquer a country. In fact we dont need land anymore. what we need is money.

I believe that turkey 40% live poor and go poorer while the true masters in turkey are the Banks that are funded by the US Fed and in fact turkey doesn?t have something to sell in the world to make money. So they do what Americans tell them to do.Anyway Greeks do not need to atack Turkish land.And if turks atack us i dont think they can match us for 3 reasonse.

1.Greeks will defend and the Greek land is fixed this way that is difucult to allow turkish intrusion. Dont forget that 1 Greek = 7 turks but if 1 Greek is waiting behind a door and 7 turks line up and pass the door :)... .

2.Turkey can not afford a war.They are already surrounded by countries that actualy hate them.And if they do so then turkey will vanish from the map.

3.Turkey doesnt whant to have war with a europian country because they know what will come after.

Turkey is a wierd country; it pretends to be secular but instead worships the man that tried to secularise the country (You can see gatherings of turks worshipping the head of Ataturk (which would be rolling in its grave by now)).

At these gatherings they shout their national pride: "Turkum, Doryum, Caliskanim" = "I'm a Turk, I am right, I am smart, etc.."

To top off their devotion to their country, every male Turk must spend at least 2 years in the army as part of their national service, with this service being passed on to three generations no matter what nationality you may now be (so in my case my Dad is Turkish Cypriot, and I grew up in the UK but I still need to do the militiray service, and so will my kids).

That's basically an entire nation that knows how to fight and take orders, to an almost religious level of devotion.

Greece. Dont. Stand. A Chance. 

NO NEED TO MORE COMMENTS!!!

 

If we start the war at 6.30am after our breakfast in Istanbul(The city tht we took from Greeks in 1453), We will drink our tea in Athens at 7.30am...