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Subject: Turkey vs. Greece who better?
Irish Emo dudes    1/4/2007 7:32:39 PM
Greece spends 7 billion on their military and has american weapondry turkey spends 12 billion and also has american weapondry both used f-16's but turkey has ordered 100 f-35's not sure what greece is getting i think eurofighters...whose better militarily and who would win in a war (two different questions) and another thing i would like to know who is better trained?
 
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french stratege       1/8/2007 11:26:54 AM
Greec air force has a overall superiority.In average while less numerous , greec force are better equiped.NATO nations maintain a balance between both forces.Considering terrain situation, Greece can not invade Turkey wih a decent chance of success as Turkey can not invade Greece with decent chance either.On land, common border is short while moutaineous areas protect greece and Bosphore protect main Turkish territory.On sea and to catch Island, both have fortified their positions and are nearly on par for navy and air force even if a give greece a very slight advantage.
Any fighting would en in a stalemate.
 
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french stratege       1/8/2007 11:34:31 AM
ANy fighting would END in a stalemate.
Check Turkey has receoived 314 amraam: 176 AIM-120A + 138 AIM-120B
Greece has received 350 AMRAAM but got 200 mica from France plus 100 or order.
Turkey can not hope to compensate their little equipement inferiority by man numbers.
 
 
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kane    HEY GUYS!!!!   1/8/2007 2:25:45 PM
Ok we're in the 21 th century and it's too bad that the people who are non-Turk still think the same way about Turks

Look guys Turks are not Arabs
Not all the Turks are Muslims----Turk=/=Muslim
90%of the pop is Muslim-but Turkry is secular
Well more secular than Israel
BTW no Muslim country will help Turkey because they think we are aganist Islam

Turkey is more advanced than most of the Balkan countries.It's ecenomy is bigger than many European countries
Turkey has a bigger population and thats why we still can not seem like Europeans
Controlling and educating a country with a 10 million pop is easy but it's very hard when the pop is 70 M and
EU does not want Turkey in the union.I really wonder why.Because they took Bulgaria and Romania or some other Balkan countries easily.Well they're not better than Turkey

Ah and when it comes to army
Well Turkey  DOES NOT rely on it's manpower
We still use conscription armies because of cultural things and economical problems

Turkey can produce 40% of it's own military stuff
The rest is from US and other Nato countries(mostly Germany)
Well Greece won't get JFS but Turkey will
We are also going to produce EU fighters and we'll be able to sell them
Well Turkish scientists are also working on a tank project and it's not a cheap one-it will be ready in 2012

Turkey is stronger than Greece thats for sure but this doesn't mean we can take over them
OH and Turkish air fleet is not just BIGGER but also experienced and well trained


 
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kane    HEY GUYS!!!!   1/8/2007 2:27:51 PM

ANy fighting would END in a stalemate.

Check Turkey has receoived 314 amraam: 176 AIM-120A + 138 AIM-120B

Greece has received 350 AMRAAM but got 200 mica from France plus 100 or order.

Turkey can not hope to compensate their little equipement inferiority by man numbers.

 

Well thats maybe we produce our own AA systems
(atilgan and zipkin)

Turkey does not rely on manpower!!!

 
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kane    HEY GUYS!!!!   1/8/2007 2:37:31 PM
Lets have a look at the last century
Turkey fought 2 Balkan Wars-Greeks united with other Blakn countries and beat Turks
one World war-Turks lost a whole generation
an indepence war-Aganist UK,France,Armenians,Greeks and religious rebels=all sacked(especially the Greeks)
Korean war- http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html
and operation Atilla-peace op of saving Turkish cypriots-We lost about 400 men in 4 days and took over half of the island
This was the first time Turkey used it's paratroopers
and also a succesfull amphibious assault

 Greeks and Turks should get along with eact other.I'm not thinking of a war,no one does



 
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french stratege       1/8/2007 2:40:29 PM
Kane:
Turkey do not have an high tech defense industry even it is planning to develop one.
The The ATILGAN and ZIPKIN fire units will use Turkey's existing Stinger missiles for very short-range air defense:
1: the system you mentionned are short range ground to air system
2: they are relying on US delivered missiles
What you do is assembly and under licence production.
You don't have a real defense industry yet.
Period.
And Greec have in average a better equiped army.Do not expect to gain air superiority agaisnt them.
BTW I'm not Greec Im' french but I can compare the two forces.
 
 
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kane    HEY GUYS!!!!   1/8/2007 2:41:09 PM


"4500 soldiers in the middle of the firing line have known how to create miracle. The sacrifices of the Turks will eternally remain in our minds." - Washington Tribune

"The courageous battles of the Turkish Brigade have created a favorable effect on the whole United Nations Forces." - Time

"The surprise of the Korean battles were not the Chinese but the Turks. It is impossible at this moment to find a word to describe the heroism which the Turks have shown in the battles." - Abent Post

"The Turks have shown in Kunuri a heroism worthy of their glorious history. The Turks have gained the admiration of the whole world through their glorious fighting in the battles." - Figaro

"The Turks who have been known throughout history by their courage and decency, have proved that they have kept these characteristics, in the war which the United Nations undertook in Korea." - Burner - U.S. Congressman

"There is no one left who does not know that the Turks, our valuable allies, are hard warriors and that they have accomplished very great feats at the front." - Claude Pepper, U.S. Senator

"I now understand that the vote I gave in favor of assistance to Turkey was the most fitting vote I gave in my life. Courage, bravery and heroism are the greatest virtues which will sooner or later conquer. In this matter, I know no nation superior to the Turks." - Rose - U.S. Senator

"While the Turks were for a long time fighting against the enemy and dying, the British and Americans were withdrawing. The Turks, who were out of ammunition, affixed their bayonets and attacked the enemy and there ensued a terrible hand to hand combat. The Turks succeeded in withdrawing by continuous combat and by carrying their injured comrades on their backs. They paraded at Pyongyang with their heads held high." - G.G. Martin - British Lieutenant General

"The Turkish forces have shown success above that expected in the battles they gave in Korea." - General Collings - Commander US Army

"We owe the escape of thousands of United Nations troops out of a certain encirclement to the heroism of the Turkish soldiers. The Turkish soldiers in Korea have added a new and unforgettable page of honor to the customs and legends of heroism of the Turkish nation." - Emanuel Shinwell - U.K. Minister of Defense

"The heroic soldiers of a heroic nation, you have saved the Eighth Army and the IX'th Army Crops from encirclement and the 2nd Division from destruction. I came here today to thank you on behalf of the United Nations Army." - General Walton H. Walker, Commander, Eighth Army

"The Turks are the hero of heroes. There is no impossibility for the Turkish Brigade." - General Douglas MacArthur - United Nations Forces Commander in Chief


 
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french stratege       1/8/2007 2:43:48 PM
I don't say that Turl soldier are stupid or cowards but only that Turkey is in slight inferiority regarding equipement and can not compensate by manpower especially on sea, in air or in amphibious.
 
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kane    HEY GUYS!!!!   1/8/2007 2:44:45 PM

So what makes Greeks better?I didn't say we have high tech missiles we have our own things
Greeks do not have high tech stuff either
+I really do not think Greeks can take out Turkish air force
Well I do not think they have F-22s
What do they have??(better than Turkey)
Kane:


Turkey do not have an high tech defense industry even it is planning to develop one.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=149999&TICK=RTN&STORY=/www/story/06-20-2002/0001750819&EDATE=Jun+20,+2002</div>;" target="_blank">link
The The ATILGAN and ZIPKIN fire units will use Turkey's existing Stinger missiles for very short-range air defense:

1: the system you mentionned are short range ground to air system

2: they are relying on US delivered missiles

What you do is assembly and under licence production.

You don't have a real defense industry yet.

Period.

And Greec have in average a better equiped army.Do not expect to gain air superiority agaisnt them.

BTW I'm not Greec Im' french but I can compare the two forces.

 



 
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french stratege       1/8/2007 2:59:57 PM
What do Grrec have? A slightly better equiped army (check) and geographical conditions : montaneous on land, and archipelago of Aegean sea.Geographical conditions make air superiority the clear factor of victory and you are in slight inferiority.
BVR missiles quality and numbers are a good exemple.
Turkish army has no chance of victory and it would be a stalemate.BTW you have a status quo for this reason for few decades.
 
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