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Subject: THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE: Can the UK stop it?!?!?!
Godofgamblers    8/24/2006 4:42:38 AM
Wishing to write his name into the history books, Jaacques Chirac resolves to establish the THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE. He secures the agreement of some major Arab states (Lebanon, Syria and Palestine) to join a French commonwealth leading to a merger of states. Many other Arab states consider the motion, hoping to create a counterweight in the region to the US/Israel bloc and considering the sizable number of Arabs living in France. As for Africa, Chirac decides to take it outright as part of the new French empire. Some Arab countries such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia will be allowed to maintain puppet goverments for historic reasons, however. As a sign that he means business, French marines land at Valletta with CAS from 70 Rafales from the CdG. SEAD neturalizes Malta Int’l Airport. Malta’s Bulldog fighters are no match for the French airforce. Sorties are launched from Corsica and CdG to destroy Malta’s military capability. French Legionnaires from Djibouti land and take Hal-Far and other important military objectives. Once air supremacy is achieved, Malta’s military forces are identified, targetted and neutralized, and regular French army units supported by 100 LeClercs land at the ports of Birrzebbuga and Marsaxlokk, sealing Malta’s fate. Africa watches in shock as the French Tricolore flies above Malta’s Parliament. Chirac publicly proclaims that Malta will serve as the stepping stone to ops in Africa should some countries be non-compliant. Coffee literally flies out of Tony Blair’s nose as he reads the morning paper: FRANCE TAKES MALTA IN LIGHTNING ATTACK. For historic reasons, he would like to free Malta. However, a few quick phonecalls reveal that the EU and the US will not interfere in this matter. In fact, the US is glad that the French will be taking a more active role in the ME and too many of their forces are engaged in Iraq to help out the Brits anyway. This will be another Faklands type war, Bush advises. Chirac calls and tells Blair that he must condone and accept the French invasion publicly. Chirac will be beginning his Africa drive and doesn’t want any hiccups. Blair stares into space wondering what he can do faced with this ‘fait accompli’… If he chooses to rush to Malta’s aid, it won’t be the Belgrano he’ll be facing but the CdG in a warzone dotted with French military bases… should he really stir up the hornet’s nest? The Question IS: Does Britain have the military wherewithal to wrest Malta from the French without (1) going nuclear (2) receiving aid from other countries (3) attacking France proper (for fear of escalation)?
 
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soleil9       9/4/2006 6:32:22 AM
but in fact Italian neutrality could be discuted with Italia, and maltese cross you underestimate link between France and North Africa, and Algeria for example have many more reasons and things to win supporting France
, than Italia to go in war with us, at first shoot between FR and IT, it will be a big blood bath between Lyon and Milano.
 
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Godofgamblers       9/4/2006 6:45:28 AM

but in fact Italian neutrality could be discuted with Italia, and maltese cross you underestimate link between France and North Africa, and Algeria for example have many more reasons and things to win supporting France
, than Italia to go in war with us, at first shoot between FR and IT, it will be a big blood bath between Lyon and Milano.


Let's assume for the sake of this thread that hostilities don't occur on the European mainland. The battle will be for Malta and will take place on Malta and the Med.
For instance, in the Falklands.conflict, the UK could have bombed Buenos Aires or blockaded.Argentina but decided not to escalate knowing they could win the islands. Let's assume that the major powers have decided to fight the battle on Malta, not by detonating EMP bombs over Paris or something!
 
 
 
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Bigfella2       9/4/2006 6:46:28 AM
My bet is that if Italy comes in then France goes home VERY quickly.
 
Sardinia & Sicily give Italy (& friends) enough bases to dominate the airspace over that part of the Med. Further, Britain could move forces into Italy through Germany, Austria & Slovenia in preparation for a move on Malta.
 
The Brits would be clever enough to defuse any Libya/Italy issues, and I'm sure that Tunisia & Algeria wouldn't object to the Italians using their bases.
 
I can back up Maltese Cross on the orientation of the Maltese to the North, rather than south. In Australia they are seen in a similar light to migrants from italy, Greece & Yugoslavia. If anything, they have assimilated even better than those groups (fewer delusions of grandeur).
 
If you think the French are in trouble when Italy joins in, just wait until thousands of young Maltese/Australians turn up angry & armed to the teeth.
 
Another 'strategic withdrawal' to Marseilles methinks.
 
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Maltese Cross       9/4/2006 6:49:23 AM
I understand the cultural connection between France and North Africa but there is a similar connection between Malta and  Italy. In fact before the second world war Italian was the language of the upper class and the nobility. Consider also that an invasion of Malta undermines Italian security in the central Mediterranean and, other than the defence agreement, it is in the interest of Italy to deal with this threat. With the help of the Royal Navy they can do this.
 
An Anglo-Italian Alliance then means that France will have to do something VERY clever to stay in the game.
 
P.S. OMG Steve Irwin is dead
 
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Godofgamblers       9/4/2006 7:59:50 AM

I understand the cultural connection between France and North Africa but there is a similar connection between Malta and  Italy. In fact before the second world war Italian was the language of the upper class and the nobility. Consider also that an invasion of Malta undermines Italian security in the central Mediterranean and, other than the defence agreement, it is in the interest of Italy to deal with this threat. With the help of the Royal Navy they can do this.

 

An Anglo-Italian Alliance then means that France will have to do something VERY clever to stay in the game.

 

P.S. OMG Steve Irwin is dead


I quite agree, MC, that France can not fend off both the UK and Italy in the Med. You are quite right in bringing up the Malta/Italy relationship. However, I should point out that the question of this thread was "Can the UK stop France", not "Can the UK and Italy stop France".
For example, if we were discussing whether the UK could take the Falklands on its own before the actual conflict took place, it would have been unfair to assume that the UK would act in tandem with US forces in the region since, although it was a distinct possibility, US aid of the sort would immediately void the entire exercise. Meaning, that the outcome would not be in question.
 
For the same reason, I think we should assume that the UK does not have Italian aid. To justify this, many would have bet their bottom dollar that the US would have supported the UK militarily in the Falklands, but in fact that wasn't the case.
 
Perhaps Italy is afraid of angering France or Italy has been promised choice pieces of Africa that ITaly had historic 'rights' to such as Ethiopia in return for non-action...
 
 
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soleil9       9/4/2006 2:40:10 PM
MC and GOG you'are right , in fact the question is what will be the french determination; cause if the country is not ready to lose thousands peoples in agression war and at the end to be expelled of EU...
 
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Godofgamblers       4/19/2007 11:10:54 PM
Perhaps the new French base in Cyprus is but the opening move in this scenario which is about to play out...?
 
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Bluewings12       4/21/2007 9:53:25 AM
Interesting thread , funny mind ...

Btw , I believe the RN to be unable to get the upper hand in the Med .The French are just too strong and too well equipped there . The straight of Gibraltar is a death trap and can be screened at will . Not even a RN SSN could pass unnoticed . Not enough water and lack of depth . Also , 2 French SSNs screening  waters around the Suez Canal would cripple any RN Warship seen on Sats trying to reach the Med from the South-East . The Med is a French fishtank .
UK could not do anything without having a strong presence in the Med , and this is not archivable .
Keep in mind that a M2000 taking off from France or Corsica can cross the Med in 20 minutes .

The UK would not even try in the Med as it would be suicidal .

Cheers .



 
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Bluewings12       4/21/2007 6:51:44 PM
So , the French take Malta and no-one can do anything about it .

Cheers .

 
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AdamB       4/22/2007 8:30:18 AM
France attacking Malta?
 
Why would one EU country attack another EU country?  It would never happen.  According to most pro-EU people, the EU is supposedly about promoting peace in Europe.

Also, France doesn't have a very good record in invading its European neighbours.  It's usually the invadEE, not the invadER.  It's probably the European country that's been successfully invaded more times than any other.  It's also probably the only one to be invaded twice by Italy.
 
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