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Subject: THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE: Can the UK stop it?!?!?!
Godofgamblers    8/24/2006 4:42:38 AM
Wishing to write his name into the history books, Jaacques Chirac resolves to establish the THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE. He secures the agreement of some major Arab states (Lebanon, Syria and Palestine) to join a French commonwealth leading to a merger of states. Many other Arab states consider the motion, hoping to create a counterweight in the region to the US/Israel bloc and considering the sizable number of Arabs living in France. As for Africa, Chirac decides to take it outright as part of the new French empire. Some Arab countries such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia will be allowed to maintain puppet goverments for historic reasons, however. As a sign that he means business, French marines land at Valletta with CAS from 70 Rafales from the CdG. SEAD neturalizes Malta Int’l Airport. Malta’s Bulldog fighters are no match for the French airforce. Sorties are launched from Corsica and CdG to destroy Malta’s military capability. French Legionnaires from Djibouti land and take Hal-Far and other important military objectives. Once air supremacy is achieved, Malta’s military forces are identified, targetted and neutralized, and regular French army units supported by 100 LeClercs land at the ports of Birrzebbuga and Marsaxlokk, sealing Malta’s fate. Africa watches in shock as the French Tricolore flies above Malta’s Parliament. Chirac publicly proclaims that Malta will serve as the stepping stone to ops in Africa should some countries be non-compliant. Coffee literally flies out of Tony Blair’s nose as he reads the morning paper: FRANCE TAKES MALTA IN LIGHTNING ATTACK. For historic reasons, he would like to free Malta. However, a few quick phonecalls reveal that the EU and the US will not interfere in this matter. In fact, the US is glad that the French will be taking a more active role in the ME and too many of their forces are engaged in Iraq to help out the Brits anyway. This will be another Faklands type war, Bush advises. Chirac calls and tells Blair that he must condone and accept the French invasion publicly. Chirac will be beginning his Africa drive and doesn’t want any hiccups. Blair stares into space wondering what he can do faced with this ‘fait accompli’… If he chooses to rush to Malta’s aid, it won’t be the Belgrano he’ll be facing but the CdG in a warzone dotted with French military bases… should he really stir up the hornet’s nest? The Question IS: Does Britain have the military wherewithal to wrest Malta from the French without (1) going nuclear (2) receiving aid from other countries (3) attacking France proper (for fear of escalation)?
 
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stbretnco       8/26/2006 1:20:57 PM
Blair comes to his senses, realizes that France has gotten itself wrapped up into the mother of all tar babies (the african continent), and tells Malta that the British will be back in the Med once the French have worn themselves down a bit.
 
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Godofgamblers       8/26/2006 7:49:15 PM
 
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TDidier       8/27/2006 6:14:53 AM

neofire1000:

Well i give up, you seem to know more about the UK new ships etc than I do (would love to know where you get your hard facts), and the french are better.


There you go, I can't be bothered with this crap and this is all this site seems to contain.


Have a good day, hope we don't go to war.


About Horizon class, here the first, the Forbin:
http://www.netmarine.net/bat/fregates/forbin/photos.htm

In fact Horizon and T45 are from the same early studies, that's why they are looking so similar, but UK goes alone for T45 and France with Italy continued with Horizon. The main systeme still is commpon the three nations, the PAAMS based on the French-italian ASTER missile.

About the sonar, if I remember correctly your Astute new sub would be fitted with french sonar and various other things. Maybe I'm wrong but I gess that the Royal Navy uses a lot french built or concepted sonar.

French aren't better, I just think that this scenario is too difficult for UK actually.



 
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13FRET       8/27/2006 7:16:17 AM
this reminds me of the thread a while back wherein FS tells us how France could invade and occupy Egypt; with no allies for either. That was a good one!
 
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Thomas       8/27/2006 3:52:45 PM
I must say: I do love the dispassionate debunking by gf0012-aus (couldn't You have chosen a more convienient handle like wombat or porpoise???).
 
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Claret       8/29/2006 2:05:16 PM

Great post, really good read. This is my first contribution to the board ;-)

 

Some more fun factors for the mix:-

 

1) Cyprus - RAF Akrotiri, re-supply and significant RAF deployment. Eastern Med now has UK air dominance.

 

2) RN deploy to Eastern Med via Cape of Good Hope and Suez operating from Cyprus. RN and RAF move further assets to Gibraltar. The Royal Artillery deploy a battery of Rapier FSC each to  the Rock and Cyprus.

 

3) Commonwealth support for UK, especially the African nations to factor into further French moves into Africa.

 

4) Re-supply of French forces via a RN blockaded Med. Can the UK alone maintain a blockade?

 

5) UK draws up plans for rapid deployment of the 16th Air Assault Brigade to Nairobi, Kenya and/or Sierra Leone to check French African deployments.

 

6) International sanctions against France following Malta invasion. Who'd back them and which countries would still supply France? French naval oil reserves?

 
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Godofgamblers       8/29/2006 8:04:32 PM


Great post, really good read. This is my first contribution to the board ;-)




 


Some more fun factors for the mix:-



 


1) Cyprus - RAF Akrotiri, re-supply and significant RAF deployment. Eastern Med now has UK air dominance.



 


2) RN deploy to Eastern Med via Cape of Good Hope and Suez operating from Cyprus. RN and RAF move further assets to Gibraltar. The Royal Artillery deploy a battery of Rapier FSC each to  the Rock and Cyprus.



 


3) Commonwealth support for UK, especially the African nations to factor into further French moves into Africa.



 


4) Re-supply of French forces via a RN blockaded Med. Can the UK alone maintain a blockade?



 


5) UK draws up plans for rapid deployment of the 16th Air Assault Brigade to Nairobi, Kenya and/or Sierra Leone to check French African deployments.



 


6) International sanctions against France following Malta invasion. Who'd back them and which countries would still supply France? French naval oil reserves?




Good points, Claret. But would the UK be willing to take France on on its home ground, i.e. West Africa?

 

Blockade of Med? That's a good strategy. Most have spoken of pushing into Med with 'Armada' and heading for Malta. That would be very risky, IMO.You propose the blockade until air dominance could be achieved, right?

What are the UK's chances of achieving air dominance in the Med?

 

 
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Claret       8/29/2006 9:01:37 PM

Thanks,

 

Is air dominance required for the whole Med? Surely the UK only needs to check French expansion and further ensure she can safely operate in the Straits of Gibraltar. Localised air superiority is feasible and attainable.

 

However I think the UK would most logically stall France as long as possible, while doing her up most to hinder further French progression. Cyprus would effectively give the UK control over the Eastern Med, this of course leaves France free to purse her course of action in West Africa.

 

My sixth point regarding the supply of France and which countries would back any sanctions is the most pertinent in this regard.

 

???Although France lost title to the Saharan deposits after Algerian independence, arrangements were made with the Algerian government to keep up the flow of oil to France. As of 2001, oil consumption was 2 million barrels per day, of which 1.9 million were imported. In the same year, France's oil reserves were estimated at 240 million barrels. Mergers involving France's top oil companies in 1999 and 2000 created the fourth-largest oil company in the world, TotalFinaElf.??? SOURCE ??? nationsencyclopedia.

 

Your intended ploy reminds me very much of Japanese military economic thinking pre WWII. Neutralise the largest military bases locally (PearlHarbour and Singapore) then expand rapidly and hope to consolidate before effective reprisal.

 

It boils down to Oil. Stop imports and the country will (and thus military) will grind to a halt.

 

If I where in the UK MOD I???d make the Algerian oil fields, plants, depots, pipe lines and tankers priority number one. Blockade them at first seek international assistance in this where possible, if France fails to cease aggressive actions I???d neutralise them via Tomahawk via SSBN???s and Stor

 
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Godofgamblers       8/29/2006 9:34:09 PM



Thanks,




 



Is air dominance required for the whole Med? Surely the UK only needs to check French expansion and further ensure she can safely operate in the Straits of Gibraltar. Localised air superiority is feasible and attainable.




 



However I think the UK would most logically stall France as long as possible, while doing her up most to hinder further French progression. Cyprus would effectively give the UK control over the Eastern Med, this of course leaves France free to purse her course of action in West Africa.




 



My sixth point regarding the supply of France and which countries would back any sanctions is the most pertinent in this regard.




 



???Although France lost title to the Saharan deposits after Algerian independence, arrangements were made with the Algerian government to keep up the flow of oil to France. As of 2001, oil consumption was 2 million barrels per day, of which 1.9 million were imported. In the same year, France's oil reserves were estimated at 240 million barrels. Mergers involving France's top oil companies in 1999 and 2000 created the fourth-largest oil company in the world, TotalFinaElf.??? SOURCE ??? nationsencyclopedia.




 



Your intended ploy reminds me very much of Japanese military economic thinking pre WWII. Neutralise the largest military bases locally (PearlHarbour and Singapore) then expand rapidly and hope to consolidate before effective reprisal.


 
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Godofgamblers       8/29/2006 9:40:03 PM










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Move fast and as I stated deploy the 16th Air Assault Brigade (Apache Longbows) along with sufficient air cover into Africa to hinder further French expansion. Further large scale armored landings could be made at Egypt, Kenya and Sierra Leone penning France into West Africa. 






 

The 16th has been deployed to Sierra Leone before, I believe. Maybe that would be a good place for insertion.

 
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