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Subject: THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE: Can the UK stop it?!?!?!
Godofgamblers    8/24/2006 4:42:38 AM
Wishing to write his name into the history books, Jaacques Chirac resolves to establish the THIRD FRENCH EMPIRE. He secures the agreement of some major Arab states (Lebanon, Syria and Palestine) to join a French commonwealth leading to a merger of states. Many other Arab states consider the motion, hoping to create a counterweight in the region to the US/Israel bloc and considering the sizable number of Arabs living in France. As for Africa, Chirac decides to take it outright as part of the new French empire. Some Arab countries such as Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia will be allowed to maintain puppet goverments for historic reasons, however. As a sign that he means business, French marines land at Valletta with CAS from 70 Rafales from the CdG. SEAD neturalizes Malta Int’l Airport. Malta’s Bulldog fighters are no match for the French airforce. Sorties are launched from Corsica and CdG to destroy Malta’s military capability. French Legionnaires from Djibouti land and take Hal-Far and other important military objectives. Once air supremacy is achieved, Malta’s military forces are identified, targetted and neutralized, and regular French army units supported by 100 LeClercs land at the ports of Birrzebbuga and Marsaxlokk, sealing Malta’s fate. Africa watches in shock as the French Tricolore flies above Malta’s Parliament. Chirac publicly proclaims that Malta will serve as the stepping stone to ops in Africa should some countries be non-compliant. Coffee literally flies out of Tony Blair’s nose as he reads the morning paper: FRANCE TAKES MALTA IN LIGHTNING ATTACK. For historic reasons, he would like to free Malta. However, a few quick phonecalls reveal that the EU and the US will not interfere in this matter. In fact, the US is glad that the French will be taking a more active role in the ME and too many of their forces are engaged in Iraq to help out the Brits anyway. This will be another Faklands type war, Bush advises. Chirac calls and tells Blair that he must condone and accept the French invasion publicly. Chirac will be beginning his Africa drive and doesn’t want any hiccups. Blair stares into space wondering what he can do faced with this ‘fait accompli’… If he chooses to rush to Malta’s aid, it won’t be the Belgrano he’ll be facing but the CdG in a warzone dotted with French military bases… should he really stir up the hornet’s nest? The Question IS: Does Britain have the military wherewithal to wrest Malta from the French without (1) going nuclear (2) receiving aid from other countries (3) attacking France proper (for fear of escalation)?
 
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Lynstyne       6/27/2009 6:13:55 AM

Ozymandias,
Ozymandias, quite brilliant! This thread has inspired the creative side of members...!

 

I'm not so sure that France would break down so fast.... it would depend what happened in the field. Quick successes and consolidation may strengthen the Euro, who knows?

 

Deep down I wonder if this whole European project is doomed to failure. There are too many countries. If I were to ask the average European on the street to name all the members of the EU, would he even be able?

 

Soon Turkey and, God knows, maybe even Uzbekistan will become members. It is becoming unwieldy, unrealizable.

 

Perhaps France would do well to go it alone and build and empire. Say goodbye to the French Fry eating bureaucrats in Brussels.

 

 



We should encourage just that scenario i reckon it will be far cheaper for the UK to spend the next 50 yeras sforging alliances, kirmishing and perhaps the odd large clash to block French expansion (the UKs traditional role) than it is to fund all those politicions with their feet in the trough in that great cess pool of corruption that is the EU  
 
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french stratege       6/28/2009 8:28:21 PM
Malta is only 800 km away from our Corsican airfields.
Plus our air refueling capability.
It means we can use our whole air force at full strenght.
We do not even need a carrier.
What British could do is an attrition war concerning surface naval ships with their SSN.
The only problem is that they have only 8 modern SSN available max (Trafalgar+Astute class).
Concerning navy we are close to our Toulon navy harbor and of course our ASW capabilites at are full strenght.
Including availability of 28 Atlantic G2 ASW aircrafts.
British can not do anything unless they could get a full support from a country close to Malta to use it for RAF.
They can not even dream to retake the island.
The only possibity would be a full scale war against metropolitan France and I seriouly doubt they could do anything serious..
 
 
 
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Herald12345    This is ridiculous.   6/28/2009 11:35:40 PM
Who rules the EU? It isn't France.
 
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Godofgamblers       6/29/2009 12:42:29 AM



Ha. It makes sense seeing as that is my dream. To take a less militaristic point on this, France is the centerpeice of the EU. They are one step away from uniting already, so the least provocative and really most beneficial route is to unite the EU then move on to militaristic goals in creating a massive French Empire. However, your idea of this Empire would fall apart in a matter of months. It's too vast to occupy effectively and therefore will fall apart as Nationalism sets in. It would be the shortest lived Empire the world has ever seen.






You're dreaming. Western Europe is in relative decline to Eastern Europe. In a few decades Poland will be more influential than France. Not that the EU isn't bleeding out of its guts and crawling desperately towards some sort of constitution so it can get an override clause on the myriad parliament vetos.

 

And God of Gamblers... I'm not sure what promises the Czech had from the West, but Italy has treaties with Malta.


The thread is more to discuss the capabilities of France and the UK than to actually discuss the possibility of France invading Malta... obviously such a thing will not come to pass in the current geopolitical situation.
The Czechs? Are you referring to WW2? Yes, they did have defence treaties but when the tanks rolled in none of them were honored. In theory, the same could happen in Malta for the sake of our theoretical scenario.
 
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NapoleonVIII       7/3/2009 2:43:39 PM
Really I doubt that Great Britian would go to war over the Med. Two powerful nations like France and Great Britian haven't fought since WWII. The Brits would try to avoid bloodshed at all costs.
 
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