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Subject: Top 10 Military Leaders of all time
whitie    1/3/2004 4:04:19 AM
This is pretty self explanitory but take into the account that by that being a great leader doesnt mean how much land they conquered but for their military prowness, managing victories against all odds or just being well respected by their men
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YelliChink       1/28/2009 5:26:16 PM

Hannibal was a brillient leader who crushed every Roman army put up against him until Zama. Carthagelost that war, not because of anything Hannibal did particularly wrong, but because they were fighting bloody Rome! Rome doesn't quit and their allied city states know better than to fight against them. That's a slightly oversimplified responce to the Hannibal thing but I lack time at the minute.


Hannibal is probably one the the greatest tactician ever, but he indeed made the fatal mistake strategically. Carthage at the time can't fight a war of attrition with Rome. Rome has more population, more resources, and they are now in control of sea. Hannibal needs to throw a fatal blow to Rome, but he failed to do so. His strategy was to weaken Rome by defeating Roman armies, so to lure Roman allies, such as Macedon, to Carthage side. It is surprising that he didn't push for siege of Rome after Cannae. The lack of understanding for psychological effect on strategic level is astounding.
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YelliChink       1/28/2009 5:36:11 PM
I would suggest Saladin and Zhukov to be on the list.
As for recommending Chinese generals, sorry, I can't come up with one that even close to Hannibal. Not because there is no great Chinese generals, but because of the fact that military leaders are deemed as threats to emperors. Many successful generals were later persecuted simply because they are popular. Some other more lucky ones were put to irrelevant positions that basically stopped them from taking any more action.
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FJV       1/29/2009 2:16:27 PM
Where to place Sargon of Akkad?
To be remembered for more than 4000 years, you must have been doing something right.
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buzzard       1/29/2009 2:40:08 PM

I assure you, Hareld's remarks have nothing to do with this story coming out of India rather than Europe (or somewhere else in the "west"). It has to do with the fact that the problem with legends is that they tend to get exagerated, and without evidence it's easy for these stories, that almost always have a basis in fact, to basically become myth.


No doubt there was an epic battle in India similar to the one you're talking about, but 11 survivors out of 4 million fighters... well, I'll take that with a pinch of salt.


 In case you think we nasty westerners are picking on you Asians, take a look at the stories of King Arthur and the Trojan War. Both are almost certianly are based on actual events or people, but it's not like we believe the legends about them.



Not to mention he logistical impossibility of supporting 4M men for a battle with stone age technology. Sorry, I don't buy it. As you say, there was undoubtedly a battle of consequence behind the legend, but legends do get inflated.
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eldnah       1/30/2009 9:00:01 AM

I am suprised no one has mentioned John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough, coaltion leader, diplomat and soldier, who is reputed never to have fought a battle he did not need to and never lost a battle he fought. 

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