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Subject: Top 10 Military Leaders of all time
whitie    1/3/2004 4:04:19 AM
This is pretty self explanitory but take into the account that by that being a great leader doesnt mean how much land they conquered but for their military prowness, managing victories against all odds or just being well respected by their men
 
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Jiun Si    RE:Top 10 Military Leaders of all time   2/8/2004 6:36:19 AM
When we say that Genghis Khan is a great military leader, we don't mean he fought all the territories but he is the one who FOUNDED and BEGAN Realising the greatest expansionist ideology before modern history and laid out most of this greatest ancient ambition for his descendants to fulfil.
 
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gf0012-aus    Top 10 Military Leaders of all time - Genghis Khan   2/8/2004 7:15:49 AM
Genghis Khan was instrumental in creating the largest contiguous empire the world has ever seen. Not too shabby for what initially started out as an unco-ordinated amry of less than 20,000 nomadic herdsmen. Only the British Empire was bigger in overall mass - and that wasn't achieved under one "dynasty".
 
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Frankthetank8987       1/26/2009 6:15:39 PM
How was Hannible a good leader he was the reason for the fall of Carthage, he made there army so weak after fighting Rome they couldent defend themselves after the war with Rome and Rome just took them over, and Napolean was good but he got his ass handed to him in Russia, Ghengis Kan was actually a good leader he also had a lot of good generals and im pretty sure he took over all the way to the Asian Minor, Julius ceaser was also good he defeated the most loved general in Rome Pompeii and turned everyone on his side the people loved him, if Alexander the Great wasnt crazy and killed all his generals then pretty much die of alcohol poisoining after his "lover" or bestfriend died he would rule the world, and I havent heard Atilla the Hun who could of took over ROME if he did not die a couple days b4 the invasion and Hitler took over all of europe and make Germany one of the most feared nations and he also was in charge of all the military planning and he did do most of it, and Joan of Arc led to the almost defeat of Britian but her general let her burn on the torch cause they gave her over to them, and Douglas macgarthur or w/e took of the asian pacific islands and it was considered to be worst in japan then in germany. Email me at frankthetank8987@aim.com if you want to agree or disagree of just give me your opinion, o and saldina of the muslim army in the 4th crusades when they were taking jerusulam back over he was a good one to but thats all he ever really did.
 
1. Alexander the Great
2. Atilla the Hun
3. Joan of Arc
4. Douglas Macarthur
5. Julias Ceaser
 
all those other ones are good to but I g2g so i couldent finish it
 
 
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the British Lion       1/26/2009 7:25:18 PM

How was Hannible a good leader he was the reason for the fall of Carthage, he made there army so weak after fighting Rome they couldent defend themselves after the war with Rome and Rome just took them over, and Napolean was good but he got his ass handed to him in Russia, Ghengis Kan was actually a good leader he also had a lot of good generals and im pretty sure he took over all the way to the Asian Minor, Julius ceaser was also good he defeated the most loved general in Rome Pompeii and turned everyone on his side the people loved him, if Alexander the Great wasnt crazy and killed all his generals then pretty much die of alcohol poisoining after his "lover" or bestfriend died he would rule the world, and I havent heard Atilla the Hun who could of took over ROME if he did not die a couple days b4 the invasion and Hitler took over all of europe and make Germany one of the most feared nations and he also was in charge of all the military planning and he did do most of it, and Joan of Arc led to the almost defeat of Britian but her general let her burn on the torch cause they gave her over to them, and Douglas macgarthur or w/e took of the asian pacific islands and it was considered to be worst in japan then in germany. Email me at frankthetank8987@aim.com if you want to agree or disagree of just give me your opinion, o and saldina of the muslim army in the 4th crusades when they were taking jerusulam back over he was a good one to but thats all he ever really did.


 

1. Alexander the Great

2. Atilla the Hun


3. Joan of Arc


4. Douglas Macarthur

5. Julias Ceaser

 

all those other ones are good to but I g2g so i couldent finish it


 

 

Frankthetank8987@aim.com


 

 

 

 

 






Hannibal was a brillient leader who crushed every Roman army put up against him until Zama. Carthagelost that war, not because of anything Hannibal did particularly wrong, but because they were fighting bloody Rome! Rome doesn't quit and their allied city states know better than to fight against them. That's a slightly oversimplified responce to the Hannibal thing but I lack time at the minute.
 
 Anyway, as for Joan of Arc, you're way off base there. She was little more than a figurehead. France won that war with a combo of supperior cannon technology, greater numbers, and by finally uniting together (because of Joan of Arc).

I also dispute MacArthur. He was a great general, but in the top 5 of all time? I think not. His victory over Japan was just was him being a cog (an important cog, granted) in a massive war-winning machine.
 
B.L. 
 
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Heorot       1/27/2009 4:13:13 PM
Patton! ha ha ha ha ha
 
Good joke!
 
An insubordinate, publicity seeking one trick pony.
 
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HERALD1357    I had the same exact reaction to.........   1/27/2009 6:28:04 PM

Patton! ha ha ha ha ha

 

Good joke!

 

An insubordinate, publicity seeking one trick pony.



Douglas MacArthur.
 
At least Halsey wasn't listed.
 
Herald

 
 
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Jigs    Did u ever hear Mahabharat ?   1/28/2009 3:59:57 PM
Seems people have not read certain history chapters....Has anyone heard about the Great Mahabharat war ?? Before I talk about the leading general let me throw some light... The greatest direct face to face war that EVER took place in the world was in India in a place called Kurukhsetra, almost 10,000 years back....Where an Army of 1.5 million soliders took on the army of 2.5 million....Both sides had thousands of elephants,archers,chariots. The general of the Army of Pandva's was Arjun. The fiercest battle EVER was carried out in 18 straight days and that army of Pandva(1.5 million men) defeated the Army of Kauravas...This war had only 8 survivors....After this war Arjun's elder brother Yudhisthir became the new king and ruled for many years...If you are interested in learning more, please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurukshetra_war
 
So guys, read the content and tell me if General Arjun is rightfully suited in top 10 positions.
 
There is another great Indian General whose story dates back almost 20,000 years back..If someone interested in facts and figures, I will be happy to share.
 
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HERALD1357    Supply supporting archeology, please.    1/28/2009 4:17:58 PM

Seems people have not read certain history chapters....Has anyone heard about the Great Mahabharat war ?? Before I talk about the leading general let me throw some light... The greatest direct face to face war that EVER took place in the world was in India in a place called Kurukhsetra, almost 10,000 years back....Where an Army of 1.5 million solders took on the army of 2.5 million....Both sides had thousands of elephants,archers,chariots. The general of the Army of Pandva's was Arjun. The fiercest battle EVER was carried out in 18 straight days and that army of Pandva(1.5 million men) defeated the Army of Kauravas...This war had only 8 survivors....After this war Arjun's elder brother Yudhisthir became the new king and ruled for many years...If you are interested in learning more, please go tolink
 

So guys, read the content and tell me if General Arjun is rightfully suited in top 10 positions.


 

There is another great Indian General whose story dates back almost 20,000 years back..If someone interested in facts and figures, I will be happy to share.


 Several hundred thousand fossilized elephants and MEN with the remains of spear tips and arrow heads will be a good beginning.
 
All evidence should be a fairly small confined area when found; if  I remember the legend properly. 
 
 
Herald
 
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Jigs    @ Ignorance   1/28/2009 4:27:28 PM




Seems people have not read certain history chapters....Has anyone heard about the Great Mahabharat war ?? Before I talk about the leading general let me throw some light... The greatest direct face to face war that EVER took place in the world was in India in a place called Kurukhsetra, almost 10,000 years back....Where an Army of 1.5 million solders took on the army of 2.5 million....Both sides had thousands of elephants,archers,chariots. The general of the Army of Pandva's was Arjun. The fiercest battle EVER was carried out in 18 straight days and that army of Pandva(1.5 million men) defeated the Army of Kauravas...This war had only 8 survivors....After this war Arjun's elder brother Yudhisthir became the new king and ruled for many years...If you are interested in learning more, please go tolink


 



So guys, read the content and tell me if General Arjun is rightfully suited in top 10 positions.






 



There is another great Indian General whose story dates back almost 20,000 years back..If someone interested in facts and figures, I will be happy to share.






 Several hundred thousand fossilized elephants and MEN with the remains of spear tips and arrow heads will be a good beginning.


 

All evidence should be a fairly small confined area when found; if  I remember the legend properly. 


 

 

Herald




I know how typically westerns tend to disown any credible,respectable facts and figures that emanate from "other" parts of the world....Unfortunately this Indian saga is so old, we cant prove it, neither we intend to...We don't have to get our facts and figures "stamped" from West...Asia or let me say "Non-western" areas of the world have ruled entire world for the MOST parts of the History and soon enough tables will turn and order of power will return to Asia....Herald rather than criticizing  India's history focus your energy on STOPPING India,China becoming next superpowers http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emwink.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />...My wishes are with youhttp://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmile.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />
 
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the British Lion       1/28/2009 4:59:56 PM










Seems people have not read certain history chapters....Has anyone heard about the Great Mahabharat war ?? Before I talk about the leading general let me throw some light... The greatest direct face to face war that EVER took place in the world was in India in a place called Kurukhsetra, almost 10,000 years back....Where an Army of 1.5 million solders took on the army of 2.5 million....Both sides had thousands of elephants,archers,chariots. The general of the Army of Pandva's was Arjun. The fiercest battle EVER was carried out in 18 straight days and that army of Pandva(1.5 million men) defeated the Army of Kauravas...This war had only 8 survivors....After this war Arjun's elder brother Yudhisthir became the new king and ruled for many years...If you are interested in learning more, please go tolink






 







So guys, read the content and tell me if General Arjun is rightfully suited in top 10 positions.














 







There is another great Indian General whose story dates back almost 20,000 years back..If someone interested in facts and figures, I will be happy to share.














 Several hundred thousand fossilized elephants and MEN with the remains of spear tips and arrow heads will be a good beginning.






 



All evidence should be a fairly small confined area when found; if  I remember the legend properly. 






 



 



Herald














I know how typically westerns tend to disown any credible,respectable facts and figures that emanate from "other" parts of the world....Unfortunately this Indian saga is so old, we cant prove it, neither we intend to...We don't have to get our facts and figures "stamped" from West...Asia or let me say "Non-western" areas of the world have ruled entire world for the MOST parts of the History and soon enough tables will turn and order of power will return to Asia....Herald rather than criticizing  India's history focus your energy on STOPPING India,China becoming next superpowers http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emwink.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />...My wishes are with youhttp://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emsmile.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle" border="0" />


I assure you, Hareld's remarks have nothing to do with this story coming out of India rather than Europe (or somewhere else in the "west"). It has to do with the fact that the problem with legends is that they tend to get exagerated, and without evidence it's easy for these stories, that almost always have a basis in fact, to basically become myth.
 
No doubt there was an epic battle in India similar to the one you're talking about, but 11 survivors out of 4 million fighters... well, I'll take that with a pinch of salt.
 
 In case you think we nasty westerners are picking on you Asians, take a look at the stories of King Arthur and the Trojan War. Both are almost certianly are based on actual events or people, but it's not like we believe the legends about them.
 
B.L. 
 
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