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Subject: Israel vs. Iran in an all-out war
jaythehistorian    8/3/2006 12:24:39 PM
WHY ISRAEL WILL decisively defeat IRAN if there is an all-out war. 1.Israel has more than 200 atomic devices vs Iran which may have 1 soon.Even if Iran bought nuclear devices from other rogue states, the retaliation from Israel would be the equivalent of 2,000 plus hiroshimas. 2.The 200 plus Israeli atomic devices are unstoppable by Iran i.e. up to 80 can be launched by submarines and the rest by ICBM or F-15s or F-16s 3.Israel has the world’s most advanced anti-ICBM missle umbrella which may be impenetrable by Iranian Shahib missles . Iran can only deliver their 1-2 atomic warheads by ICBMs with no other delivery capabilities. 4.Israel has a satellite system with multiple types of spy satellites which have reached the limit of possible resolution (defraction limit) generally thought to be about 10 centimeters and their satellite system is all weather. Together with their advanced UAV capabilities , this allows Israel to possess the most detailed photos and real-time imaging of all Iranian military installations . 5.The military technologic difference between Israel and Iran is wide. Israel has about 10% of the world-wide arms export market which based solely on merit and immensely competitive. IF anything, it is nothing short of a miracle and a tremendous tribute to Israel (jewish ) expertise that they sell to so many countries which never take the side of Israel in any dispute. There are those ,who imply much of Israel’s technological edge is due to massive American aid. However, that aid also has restrained the development of Israeli military technology. American military contractors regularly and understandably, attempt to undermine Israeli sale of military technology when it is in direct competition with American contractors’ efforts to sell abroad. Israel might have double the foreign military technologic sales if the US had never blanketly prohibited Israel selling directly to PRC. This is understandable. Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle. Israel supplies Israeli-developed military technology to most of the world’s top militaries including the USA, India, and China. China's J10 fighter is thought to be modeled on Israel’s Lavi.,the Israeli developed Jet fight. In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72. In front-line aircraft Israel has approximately 800 with more than 500 being upgraded F15s and F16s. Israel also possesses in air refueling capabilities. Iran has about 250 front-line combat aircraft consisting mostly of obsolete older US and Russian fighters. It has no known in air refueling capability. Israel also is way ahead in production and use of UAVs and sells various models to many countries including Great Britain. There are other areas of military technology Israel is far more advanced than Iran.
 
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CyrusTheGreat       4/18/2010 1:51:51 AM

Iranians will die if they try to act on it. And it won't just be the Israelis in on the kill.
 
The only thing moslems hate more than the infidel.....is EACH OTHER. 

H.

As i said, Iranians defended themselves from far larger barbarians then Israelis, so don't worry - Israeli savages won't see Esfahan.
 
You must be a retard if you think Muslims hate non-Muslims; Iran is country where Christians, Zoroastrians and even Jews live totaly free. And which Muslim country would participate on Israeli side, according your brilliant estimate? http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emteeth.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />
 
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CyrusTheGreat       4/18/2010 1:52:57 AM
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Hamilcar    List of Iran's enemies in order of importance.   4/18/2010 2:14:41 AM
1. The United States.
2. Turkey .
3. The United Kingdom
4. Saudi Arabia.
5. France.
6. The rest of the Gulf Co-operative Council.
7. Israel.
8. Egypt
 
Where is Israel on that list? 

There was a time when Iran and Israel were allies, but that was before the BARBARIANS took over.
 
As I said, Moslems hate each other more than they hate us.
 
Those Saudi IRBMs are not aimed at Tel Aviv.
 
H.
 
 



 
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swhitebull       4/18/2010 4:30:25 AM




Everyone continues to accept the fallacy Israel due to it's size would suffer more destruction than Iran in any nuclear exchange.



This is totally inaccurate for several reasons. Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons contains thermonuclear weapons despite what French Strategy believes. The father of the H bomb Edward Teller, actually spent time in Israel assisting them with the beginning of their nuclear weapons program including the goal of having thermonuclear weapons. While Israel is the only nation to have a nationwide anti-ballistic missle defense system, it is true that , as of now , it is definitely possible Iran could still have some of their missiles land in Israel. However, according to Anthony Cordesman 's  review of the results of a possible nuclear exchange , Iran would definitely suffer much more damage. The yield of Israel's arsenal is much ,much greater than anything Iran could develop in the near future. Israel could also expand it's arsenal at the same rate or even at a greater rate than Iran. Israel is a world leader in high technology. It has the most companies on NASDAQ , the listing of the top high tech companies in the world , except for the US. It is also a world leader in the computer field. Those who believe Israel's high tech sector is just due to the yearly military aid from the US couldn't be more wrong. Although Iran is much larger than Israel the majority of Iran's industry is concentrated in Tehran. Tehran is located in a bowl. It is almost perfected situated to suffer maximum damage from a nuclear strike.  Israel also has a second strike capability with their 5 Dolphin submarines. This would not only be a second strike which Iran would have immense difficulty defending against. It also guarantees , if other neighboring countries attempt to attack Israel, they would also suffer nuclear strikes.







Ten World leading countries at high tech are USA, Germany, France, Japan, Russia, UK, China, India, Iran and South Korea.

 

Israel ranks somewhere between Slovenia and Paragvay. 

 

Look, I know it's feeling little bit pathetic to know that your own descedants were pity slaves and nomads from the begining of written history, but would be no any kind of nuclear war (except in sick heads like yours).



Hey Cyrus the Fanboy -
 
 
What country has the second largest number of companies listed on the world's highest technology stock exchange - the Nasdaq?
 
No prize to the dufus for getting the right answer.
 
 
swhitebull - aryan destruction forseen on these boards soon
 
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swhitebull       4/18/2010 4:37:00 AM



Iranians will die if they try to act on it. And it won't just be the Israelis in on the kill.


 

The only thing moslems hate more than the infidel.....is EACH OTHER. 




H.





As i said, Iranians defended themselves from far larger barbarians then Israelis, so don't worry - Israeli savages won't see Esfahan.

 

You must be a retard if you think Muslims hate non-Muslims; Iran is country where Christians, Zoroastrians and even Jews live totaly free. And which Muslim country would participate on Israeli side, according your brilliant estimate? http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emteeth.gif" />


Hey fanboy -  how many women were stoned to death in the last 5 years by Israeli savages? Care to count the beatings of Israeli students or those throw out of windows by the Israeli secret police? I wouldnt be too fast to call others barbarians without holding a mirror to your face - i presume bearded and ragheaded?
 
 
swhitebull -  have a nice anti-Semitic day on us here at SP - you'll feel better, give you a chance to rant, rave and froth at the mouth, and get to shout Death to America,  Death to the Little Satan -  very cathartic as well. I and most here at SP would put Israeli technology - as evidenced by demand for its ACTUAL in-production and combat-tested weapons systems by most civlized countries in the world - up against the guilt-ridden masturbatory fantasies of your Iranian moolahs and Achmininutjob, any day, any time.
 
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swhitebull       4/18/2010 4:44:54 AM



Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle.

Hahahahaha...


 

You are comparing liquid-engine rocket with range of 300 km and speed of 1500 km/h with multistage solid-engine type with range of 3000 km, speed of mach 21, systems for electronic jamming and MIRV warhead?


 

Let me guess - you're Jewish, right? 



In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72.

Iran has 5,000 tanks, many of them modern Zolfiqar models which are comparable to Abrams.


You been drinking the koolaide lately? Where do you get your data, the moolah booga book of delusions. The LAST time the Iranians bathed themselves in glory was with Rustam. Zulfiqar is a t-72 derivative, the t-72 having been chewed up in droves by the Abrams in gulf war 1.  How many are there, 100 at most?
 
swhitebull  - have another delusional day.
 
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swhitebull       4/18/2010 4:50:56 AM







Iran sells nothing in world wide arms market. Their highly publicized Shahib 3 missle is nothing but a supped up version of the the 63 year old V2 Nazi ballistic missle.



Hahahahaha...






 



You are comparing liquid-engine rocket with range of 300 km and speed of 1500 km/h with multistage solid-engine type with range of 3000 km, speed of mach 21, systems for electronic jamming and MIRV warhead?






 



Let me guess - you're Jewish, right? 







In terms of MBTs, Israel possesses 1500 consisting entirely of the modern highly regarded Merkava. Iran has approx. 500 all obsolete models including the T 72.



Iran has 5,000 tanks, many of them modern Zolfiqar models which are comparable to Abrams.





You been drinking the koolaide lately? Where do you get your data, the moolah booga book of delusions. The LAST time the Iranians bathed themselves in glory was with Rustam. Zulfiqar is a t-72 derivative, the t-72 having been chewed up in droves by the Abrams in gulf war 1.  How many are there, 100 at most?

 

swhitebull  - have another delusional day.



Dont have my copy of The Military Balance handy, so have to rely on other sources for numbers:
John Pike (2009-02-13). "Iranian Ground Forces Equipment". Globalsecurity.org. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ground-equipment.htm. Retrieved 2010-02-07.
 
Zulfiqar MBT 1-3 Main Battle Tank 100+ 1996?present http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Flag_of_Iran.svg/22px-Flag_of_Iran.svg.png" width="22" height="13" /> Iran
Chieftain Main Battle Tank 100+ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png" width="22" height="11" /> United Kingdom 707 Mk-3P and Mk-5P, 125?189 FV-4030-1, 41 ARV and 14 AVLB obtained before the 1979 revolution. Further planned deliveries of the more capable 4030 series were cancelled at that po
 
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Shirrush    swhitebull   4/18/2010 5:01:40 AM
Welcome back!
I understand it takes an intervention by the Ahmadinedjized Pissant Squad for you to post on these boards!
. The islamonazi propaganda points he exposes are interesting and may be useful, inasmuch as they could serve as references for the post-war historical debate, which I'm looking forward to participate in if I get to survive.
 
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CyrusTheGreat       4/18/2010 7:28:45 AM
@H.

United States is to busy in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Turkey is far more closer to Iran then Israel.
UK? Very mad at Israel because of pasports.
Saudi Arabia is also much closer to Iran then Israel. 
France? Only country which military "succeses" can be compared to Jewish. http://www.strategypage.com/Images/emteeth.gif" alt="" />
Gulf Co-operative Council? You mean Qatar, Bahrein and Kuwait? Oh my God what a threat! 
Egypt? They love Ahmedinejad more then Mubarak.

Iran was never friend to fascist Israeli regime, only American puppet M. R. Pahlavi was your friend.
Democratic Iran (till 1953 and from 1979) had never recognized Israeli quasi-state.

Face the facts, kid. 


Muslims hate eachothers more then you? I guess that was Hitler said for capitalists and communists in mid 1945. http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emwink.gif" alt="" /> 
 

 












 
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CyrusTheGreat       4/18/2010 7:32:27 AM


Hey Cyrus the Fanboy -

What country has the second largest number of companies listed on the world's highest technology stock exchange - the Nasdaq?

No prize to the dufus for getting the right answer.

swhitebull - aryan destruction forseen on these boards soon



That's kind of "success" for you?  http://www.strategypage.com/Images/emteeth.gif" alt="" />
51th American state is the answer.
 
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