To say that females have a scent during their menstruation cycle is true. To say that scent can be tracked by dogs is true. However to ignore the fact that ANY human scent can?t be track is would be just as fallible and argument as the former statement.

 

Before this conversation could begin to gain a shred of credibility, many of you need to realize that you are answering two different questions. Many of you are answering whether women should be allowed in combat while other are talking about women in S/O. Guys, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but women are in combat. Her MOS might not indicate infantry or other combat arms, but from the military brass's perspective, MP's make just as good of shooters.

 

I am not a SF operator and frankly I have no desire to become one, but many of you need to at least educate yourselves as o what SF does vs. what it appears they do. SF does not hump around the world with 200lbs of gear no matter what the movies tell you they do, this is not Vietnam and certainly not WWII.

 

The lack of credible information in these arguments is astounding and honestly it?s quite embarrassing that people who are even on a site such a strategy page/servicemen/interested in the military would even make the types of assertions without at least fact checking them.

 

1. Pregnancy - This implies that all females interested in a SF career have no control over their sexual lives. There are plenty of options here that can be practiced by females. Abstinence, Contraception Intrauterine Device (IUD), and lastly abortion (taboo)

 

2. Menstruation - studies have shown that fewer than 17% body fat, women tend to cease their cycles.

 - I'd like to add a small caveat about the male hormonal cycle as well. Each man has a similar cycle to women regarding their hormones. It might not be macho but it exists.

 

3. Strength - The strongest women will never be as strong as the strongest man, that is a given. However there are plenty of females who have the strength to fulfill modern combat day roles as evident by the fact that they have done so and are continuing to do so as you read this reply. PFT's are horrible indicators of someone?s performance in combat. At OCS, there are Marine officer candidates who have 300 PFT scores but couldn?t outperform my lowly 275 in many real world applications.

 

Remember here, less than 1% of the US population is a SF member or operator. Many of you are comparing these potential women to your girlfriends, wife?s, best friends, college fuck buddies etc. When infect these potential women probably have more discipline than you, are faster than you, stronger than you, and more intelligent that you. These would not be the weak women our society likes to produce but something closer to the legend of the Amazons. In fact, I?m sure that my wife, who was an NCAA All American and All ACC performer in Track and field/4 time State champion in basketball, could outperform most males in this country in a scenario.

Sgt. I'm not sure where you get your 'information' from but please... hormones as an argument. Men are notoriously unstable because of testosterone. It is one of the predominant causes of rage and aggression. I was a cop for 5 years and my experience was that many of the male cops made situations worse because they had to 'prove' themselves. The women handled things in a calmer manner resulting in more cooperation from suspects or perpetrators. As for the 'monthly'. That argument is so old and has been used so many times that it has become ridiculous. I have no clue as to how a guy can cite what a woman feels like or is capable or incapable of when they are on their 'monthly'. Oh, and if you don't think that guard dogs can't smell male body odor, you're living in a fantasy world. For all of you disclaimers about believing in equality of the sexes your continued arguments show the age-old mentality of male superiority... the problem with that ideology is... women are taking the iniative and their rightful place in a world that has been dominated by males for eons. Then there's the 'let me give an example of why women can't do it' crap.... or the hesitation BS. When  did men become such experts on what we women can and cannot do? Women have been suppressed by men for hundreds of thousands of years. Women have fought side by side with men for as long. Why do you think men in third world countries practice gang rapes on women in villages... intimidation and fear...and they make no bones about letting the people know this is the reason for such things. It keeps the women in check and the 'men' who are so good at 'protecting' them. It's the women who are the toughest gender. We have survived the abuse, rape, suppression from men throughout history. Men don't have the mental strength to survive what women have had to put up with.  If one woman is allowed to do something and fails... she becomes the example everyone uses for not allowing other women to try. If a man fails, well there's always another guy that can take his place. All men aren't ruled out because a man fails. Women are ruled out because of an 'assumption' that women can't do it. The argument was used when women wanted to become pilots... then test pilots... then combat pilots... and guess what...  women proved they were quite capable of flying planes as well as men and completing missions as well as men...AND...  their little 'monthlies' didn't stop them from doing their jobs. Let's just get down to what the real problem is.... some... not all... men are threatened...  many a male ego is fragile...  it's bad enough to be bested by another guy... it's psychologically devasting to be bested by a gay guy... and it is catastrophic to be bested by a woman...   so, leave your 'scientific facts' and male logic  out of this argument. When all is said and done many men (not all) need to accept that the world has changed. Men who continually try to suppress women equality will soon be an endangered species because there are few glass ceilings out there... at least in the industrialized world.  Oh... and you like to claim... I really have no ill feelings toward men. We're all 'equal'. It's just that men are too full of testosterone to make good intellectual decisions... AFTER ALL, how many wars have been started by women? We've had 100,000 years of men running things and the world is more screwed up than ever. Great Job! Sarge.  HOOORAAHHH!

SgtQ first off.... wow. your whole long comment was not well thought out. Here let me help you. I can now address all of your issues that you seem to have with women in spec ops. one "Then women faster than a man. Another point, women are often (not always) too much emotionnally involved and more likely to hesitate to push a trigger." this is stupid. it is male propaganda that has been around for centuries. Women will not hesitate to shoot someone coming at them. please read history. the picts, the celts, the amazons, the scots, etc.. all had women fighters that were considered more blood thirsty and more willing to kill WHEN NECESSARY than the male counter parts. Two, "Then, they have their "monthly stuffs" if you see what I mean, which can make them feel sick -> less efficient and unleashing body odors easily detected by dog patrols (when walking around in Africa about 120°F for three days it'll smell kinda funny)." this is another not well thought out comment. first off there is highly advanced forms of birth controls that make it where a women no longer has "her monthlies" (how old are 10?) so that is moot point. next the smelling funny... that hilarious really. you think male genetalia doesnt stink after days of being out in the heat like that. pahlease no really you apparently never smell yourself seeing as you seem to know so much. third, "Then another reason: when women are in special forces they're bound to have more feelings with their team mates (works both ways) which can endanger a mission (also sexual attraction due to hotness or long missions for example...). Army isn't a singles' meeting community." and i know this is going to be hard to understand but women do have self control. they may have feelings for thier team members but I have met some spec op guys and their feelings would be the same. as for the sexual attraction... you sound just like the taliban right here... really. does the statement women have to cover up because the lust they inspire is blah blah blah. if the men cant control their sexual urges as im sure most women have learned to do then maybe they are the ones that shouldnt be serving.. cause who knows maybe they are out there messing around on missions instead of doing their jobs. lets see what statement next... "Then another point: if a woman caught, they can't resist physical pain as men can and can be traumatized by a gang rape from the enemy for example... Another points: pregnancy. If a woman is pregnant this is no good for the army, a SF member costs a lot and have to pay for itself." since when are we blaming the victim of rape. get it straight men can and have been raped and it is just as tramatic for them. if not more so since the stigma for it happening to them is ten times worse than for women. next the pregnancy... again birth control. some you only have to take a shot twice a year and it is 99.999...... % effective so this is again moot point. even if they do become pregnant its not like they will be taking time off forever. they can and do frequently go back to work. as for the comments about carrying certain amount of weight, what do you think you were born with that ability. NO, women and workout and lift weights just as easily as a man can so again.... MOOT point.  as for your other comments, no the qualifications should not be lowered. that would be just plain stupid. but if a woman can pass all the physical and psychological tests then she should be allowed to be spec ops. as for the comment about the isreali army... im pretty sure they have their own group of spec ops that are extremely qualified and deadly, they allow women. the police comment yay you saw a video of a female officer needing help... do you not consistantly watch those? cause i do, there have been SEVERAL times when a male police officer needs help also. most of what you said while attesting to not be doing the macho stuff was just that, male propoganda that has been used since the time of Jesus Christ. 

Sadly women abilities are still being doubted. The SpecOps require creativity and critical thinking in crisis situations. Maybe men would be better physically (MAYBE) but what makes them more qualified to make decisions than women. In 20 years ill bet women will be running the SpecOps and it will be twice what it is now!

Girls would probobly be more valuable on the front line than men. They have better hand eye co-ordination, and can handle stress better than men. However some time guys can feel threatened by women doing the same job as them. we're not in medeveil times now, women are equals. why shouldn't they fight, it's their war too! : /

 

Girls would probobly be more valuable on the front line than men. They have better hand eye co-ordination, and can handle stress better than men. 

Men are better equipped emotionally to handle stressful decision making just based on the fact that women are generally more emotional in the first place. I think women make excellent analysts though. I say that because they naturally see things from a different angle then men do, and there way of thinking might bring into light some previously unseen things. I don't think they should be allowed in the field though as spec. forces though cause of the impact it would have on the men around them. Lets face it, the men in the unit would never see her as there equal. It would also effect the way that the men thought, planned, acted, etc. in negative ways because its not natural for men to intentionally give women dangerous jobs and put them in harms way, plus the unit itself would be as physically strong in totality as it would be if it were all men. As for the hand-eye stuff. The special force are trained to the peak of human physical capabilities, in other words they are as good as we can get and the training that they are given more then compensates for the initial difference in levels of hand-eye coordination between men and women. It is impossible though for an in shape woman to ever be as strong as an in shape guy.