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Subject: How rank France in world power?
french stratege    4/23/2005 9:33:41 PM
o be a world power means to master a number of power tools and capacities: Economic power: France have fourth largest economy in world, even UK GNP seems on a par.But in fact France has a slightly bigger GDP in Puchasing Power Parity, a stronguer industry as its share in GNP is bigger, and especially in military usable industry (automotive, steel, microelectronic ...). Its trade balnce is positive unless US and UK.We benefit of Euro in sense that in a crisis, Euro would not go down like pound.Our financial market is less sensitive to crisis than UK. Then our saving, gold and currencies reserves are higher. France has 43 companies in the WORLD FORTUNE 500 ranking, one more than Germany and much more than UK or Italy.For example UK industry is stronguer than France in prescription drug but you can not use that for war. War potential: US: 100; Japan: 55, Germany ,40, France 25, UK 20. Diplomatic influence: should I said that French diplomatic network is world class and second to US only (with better skills).That our foreign aid is higher than UK or US in GNP %? That we have VETO right in UNO? That our cultural influence is world second after US? Thank to our industry we can substitute to US or Russia to deliver to a friend the whole set of weapons INDEPENDANTLY (from airfighters to subs via tank or C4ISR) and can shift power balance in any area.WE ARE THE SECOND WESTERN INDEPENDANT SUPPLIER AFTER US FOR CAPACITIES. We are the only Euro nation to have the full INDEPENDANT world reco network which is second to USA. RECO satellites, Telecom satellites (bandwith second to US), ELINT satellites, DSP satellites (in 2008), METEO satellites, spy ships, 30 ELINT ground station in word with 2 dedicated to spy US satelites, SPACE SURVEILLANCE RADAR. An unkown assets is that we are the only nation with US which can produce any currencies in world (to make false money in perfect imitation - we are the best in Europe for money technology) Sensitivity to energy imports: Our oil company is fourth in world and we have ROBUST assets in non middle east areas like Gabon, Angola etc...We produce our oil industry heavy equipment and our industry is world second of US in this field. Our nuclear energy production is world second in world and give us independance on electricity.Our influence in Africa secure minerals imports. Sensitivity to embargo: France has world class semiconductors facilities and hold the more advanced Europe wafer fab (joint venture between Motorola, SGS Thomson and Philips). Our auto maker build 7,5 million car /year, we have Airbus main designed office in France and so on...Our industry is pretty well balanced and produce almost everything at world class. Then we are the only Euro nation with a launch pad and Euro leader in Space.So we do not depend on US or other nation. We produce the second set of weapons after US and we do not depend of any supplier. Military technology: we are mastering everything form nukes to C4ISR with a technological level recognised by US as world second (while UK is close after).Of course neither Japan, Germany or China enjoy such an advantage. Nukes: our nuclear force are world THIRD and we produce precise counterforce weapons INDEPENDANTLY.Good second strike ability.400 warheads vs 200 for UK.(and we have stored weapons we can reactivate).3 SSBN can strike anywhere in the world. Military skills: our war academy is renown with US and UK.Israelis send some generals to perfectionate. Should I remember that Saudia Arabia asked French to crush rebellion in Mecka and not to US or UK?Saudis special forces and military stalled two weeks before asking France help.We did it in two days with 70 commandos leading Saudi commando (and using combat nerve gaz killing 2000 rebels). Mitary capacities. Second world force projection from 2007 to 2012 as a single Cdg with 3E2C and 40 Rafales, protected by 19 frigates with top ASW, 6 SSN and 3 Horizon with ASTER 30 outperform anything UK have: Indeed UK has 2 ACTIVE small carriers (with limited self protection and 60 harriers), they will not have any BVR fighters with FA2 retirement, and not antiship capacity since Harrier GR7/9 have NO RADAR!! UK air force has an handfull of non operational EF supported by 63 old Tornado ADV.No medium range airdefense for their troops. They have more SSN (soon reduced to 8 only) and military transport but we rely on civilian military prepared transports from french companies and our overseas bases to accumulate locally . ONLY US, UK, Russia and Japan has a sub force strong enough to put in danger our fleet. In fact we can crush any OPFOR airforce of 100 SU27/Mig29 (plus old MIGS or SU) without AWAC, ONLY relying on Cdg (even I agree a second would be better and needed). Most of nation do not have ENOUGH YAKHONT equivalent missiles to crush our naval force until our second carrier is operational. UK is unable to do that and in 2010 only 4 T45 will have entered service
 
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TDidier    RE:We won_Herc   6/14/2005 4:43:58 PM
"...but how could Iran end up in France???" Or France in Iran... This promised king will be french, with iranian origines, but french. He will be the first of two kings. The most important texts from Nostradamus are two letters, one to ""his son" César" and the second to "The great king Henricus Secundus", his son had César as name and the king of his time was Henry II. In those letters he gove direct indications to those two last kings. Fairey tales or propheties? I hope we will never know.
 
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Bluewings    RE: To all Posters   6/14/2005 6:15:15 PM
I sincerely would like to thanks everyone around for the very intelligent and respectfull discussion :-) What a breeze of fresh air it is to see people "talking" to each other , one hand open and the other holding the glass of beer :-) Nice one Lads ~thumb up . Cheers .
 
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ShallowThinker1    RE: To all Posters   6/14/2005 6:38:59 PM
While I've had more than my share of brewskis in a fair number of places over the years, I prefer other beverages anymore. And any civility from me is purely accidental ;) Now, help me out with why France is a past and/or present master of realpolitic. I honestly think y'all are missing the boat. You'd gain much more from positive and friendly relations with the Savage Yank than you'll ever get teaming up with the Russkies or PRC. Way too hung up on the "ancient" and not nearly enough attention to the future. The ancient is gone, the present will be gone momentarily, only the future matters - bad choices will haunt y'all for a long time and you should recognize that you've made at least Your Fair Share of those over the past five centuries.
 
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ShallowThinker1    RE: To all Posters   6/14/2005 6:41:06 PM
I apologize! I forgot to say, BW, that you are always fun and interesting to blather with. Some of your countrymen strike me as, well, very questionable (yes, I know the same is true of some of mine but we marginalize ours - y'all make yours mayors, PMs, and Presidents ;>)
 
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Godofgamblers    RE: To all Posters ST   6/14/2005 8:32:47 PM
yes, we are on the same wavelength. that's exactly what i meant. we'll see which strategy bears fruit. i'm in no position to say which one is better; indonesia is like a cork in the waves... just bobbing here and here and going with the flow :) cheers
 
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Godofgamblers    RE: To all Posters BW   6/14/2005 8:34:10 PM
hear, hear. i'll check out steelbeast.com too, BW. i am also participating in , but it's not as interesting as SP. at least not yet. still building up steam.
 
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cwDeici       4/2/2009 11:57:47 PM
USA
Russia (due nukes)
China
Japan (will fall below UK if population continues to drop)
UK
South Korea
France
Germany (nearly completely pussified. Tons of materiel and potential but the minds have been poisoned by a self-rightous ironic hatred of war due to their past sins)
India (will rise above France, would be possibly challenged by Turkey 'cept for nukes. Anyho rising.)
Turkey
Brazil (mostly potential)
Australia (most potential already applied, looks set to decline economically)
Italy
Spain
Argentina
Mexico
Iraq
Iran
Egypt
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
North Korea
 
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cwDeici       4/2/2009 11:59:04 PM
I believe France will fall down into the lower to middle teens before recovering from De Gaulle's history of leaving NATO.
 
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cwDeici       4/3/2009 12:00:19 AM
I would place Indonesia right below Australia btw., and maybe I put Turkey too high.
 
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cwDeici       4/3/2009 12:23:07 AM

I knew Iran will be the next empire....they will take Iraq next after civil war...but how could Iran end up in France???


The opposite is more likely.
 
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