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Subject: China to invade taiwan in 2010 or 2011
Gladiator    4/1/2005 12:48:16 PM
China's entire military machine is dedicated towards the invasion of Taiwan. China's 5 year military modernization plan will soon reach a creshendo. If China invades Taiwan today (2005) it will suffer nearly 600,000 casualties in its initial invasion and nearly another 500,000 losses in conquering Taiwan. Nearly 1/2 every two Chinese soldier invading Taiwan will die or be wounded. China has an unlimited supply of man power but the losses in equipement will be so heavy that it will be unable to sustain any attack on Taiwan for long, especially after US starts supplying Taiwan with weaponry. Taiwan has a very powerful Army, Navy and Air Force. CHINESE STRATEGY: 2011 INVASION OF TAIWAN Any Invasion of Taiwan will require a defeat of Taiwan's Air Force. This has to be achieved within the first few hours. China's only option is to saturate Taiwanese Air Space with Chinese Bombers and Air Force. That even though Taiwan will shoot down over 1,000 Chinese Planes, Taiwan will it self loose its supply of Air-to-air Missiles, and many of the Runways will be unservicable for fighter Aircraft. China even though will lose around 1,000 Air Craft, will have enough in reserve to sustain groud support for the invasion and give air cover to its naval task force. USA will not directly engage the Chinese Military. But supplies from Japan and South Korea such as F-16, F-15 Fighters, Aegis Warships could reach Taiwan in time to thwart any Chinese Invasion. Taiwan's ground Army is quite powerful. China will suffer massive casualties in its invasion. China's strategy will be to invade close to Taipei. By Invading close to Taipei and hoping that chinese tanks can withstand the punishment of Taiwan's feared anti-tank forces and the remaining Taiwanese fighters that it can soon cut off Taipei from the rest of Taiwan. Once that is done, it can re-augment its forces and establish a naval blockade around the northern half of Taiwan. USA will be forced to take the longer road to re-supply Taiwan from the South. China hopes to use this time to launch rapid armored thrusts deep into southern Taiwan and the continued arrival of Chinese Infantry. China hopes to use human waves attack to overwhelm the Taiwanese defenders and finally defeat them. TAIWANESE/USA STRATEGY: The US 7th Fleet is one of the most powerful Naval Forces in the World. Any build up of Chinese forces in the strait of Taiwan, the USA will soon be alerted of the impeding invasion of Taiwan. China will hope to mask their intent by engaging many war games. So that any build up chinese forces in the Taiwan strait will look like a war game. The Taiwanese air-force is quite powerful and will shoot down many chinese fighters if they cross into Taiwanese Air Space. As Soon as Chinese Planes have been detected, USA will rush supplies to Taiwan. Meaning F-16, F-15, F-18. USA will not directly engage the Chinese Forces but give enough armaments to Taiwan to stop the Chinese Invasion. USA naval forces will not engage the Chinese naval forces but instead will augment the Taiwanese ground amry with enough Abrams Battle Tanks, Bradley Fighting Vehicles. USA will even transfer control of several warships into Taiwanese control so that they can engage the Chinese Invasion Task Force. Chinese overwhelmingly numerical superiority will be hard to defeat. The only hope that Taiwan has to defeat the Chinese invading force on the beaches. USA has one of the fastest supply responese time in the world. B-52 bombers and C-130 will rapidly give Taiwan enough weapons to defeat any Chinese Invasion.
 
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EW3    RE:Why don't Europe sell weapons to Taiwan?   4/2/2005 3:19:33 AM
Actually France and Germany want to sell arms to the ChiComs.
 
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fall out    The chances of it happening will increase...   4/2/2005 4:13:09 AM
if Europe ends up selling weapons to those communist thugs... that's all im saying
 
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Gladiator    Taiwan's Military: Statistics   4/2/2005 9:59:52 AM
TAIWAN's ARMY: Tanks - 1831 Armored fighting Vehicles - 1175 Artillery Self Propelled - 405 Artillery Towed - 1060 Anti Tank Missiles - 1000 TAIWAN's AIR FORCE: Taiwan's fighter force increased by one-third during the late 1990s, with the bulk of the force now consisting of nearly 300 modern first-class aircraft. With deliveries completed in early 2000, Taiwan's air force enjoyed its greatest advantage relative to China in recent memory, though this advantage will erode over the next decade as Chinese modernization plans are eventually fullfilled. F-16 - 146 Mirage 2000 - 57 IDF - 128 F-5 - 90 TAIWAN's NAVY: Submarines - 4 Destroyers - 7 Frigates - 22 Patrol Craft - 58 Mine Warfare - 12 Amphibious - 17 Support - 19 As You can see from these Statistics, Taiwan's Air-Force is quite strong, but the sheer size of the Chinese air Force and the moderninztion will mute the only advantage Taiwan has. Its Army is woefully out of date. It has no modern tanks and its tank size is only 1/3 to small to defend Taiwan in case of Invasion. Navy is also 1/3 to small. What do you guys think?
 
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Gladiator    Weapons USA should sell to Taiwan   4/2/2005 10:19:28 AM
Personally here are the weapons that USA must sell to Taiwan ARMY: 1,500 M1A2 Abrams Battle Tank 1,000 Bradley Fighting Vehicles 4,000 Javelin Anti-Tank Missiles 1,500 Artillery AIR-FORCE: F-18 - 80 F-14 - 100 F-15 - 40 A-10 - 50 Cobra Gunships - 50 AH-64 - 60 Ah-64 Longbow - 40 NAVY: 15 Submarines 10 P3C Orion Spy Planes 10 AWACS 15 Aegis Battleships 80 Harrier Fighters I think that should be enough to deter china from invading Taiwan
 
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Nemesis1    RE:Gixx   4/2/2005 10:37:10 AM
3. Totally destroy the Chinese Strategic Nuclear Force with nuclear weapons if necessary to ensure success Some of your comments and your frequent desire torecommend the use of Nukes to solve disputes is extremely worrying and disturbing. Does China have second strike capability? Nemesis
 
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GOP    RE:China to invade taiwan in 2010 or 2011   4/2/2005 10:57:18 AM
I honestly don't think that China will lose 600,000 troops invading Taiwan if they don't have US help. America either will or will not get directly involved in the conflict, there is no middle ground, in my opinion.
 
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Heorot    RE:Weapons USA should sell to Taiwan - Gladiator   4/2/2005 11:23:34 AM
Sure they should BUY this stuff. From America too. Pray tell, how are they to pay for it?
 
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fall out    RE:China to invade taiwan in 2010 or 2011   4/2/2005 11:37:18 AM
"America either will or will not get directly involved in the conflict, there is no middle ground, in my opinion." - put it this way, IF Taiwan dont provoke war, the US will almost HAVE to get directly involved otherwise it would seem to the ChiCom Politburo that they can call Uncle Sam's bluff whenever, whereever they want and well...
 
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Gladiator    How Strong is the US 7th Fleet?   4/2/2005 12:35:15 PM
The only major US Naval force in the far east is the US 7th Fleet and in a time of War between taiwan and china, the 7th fleet will have to supply, arm and protect taiwan. just wondering, how strong is the US 7th fleet for example the chinese navy vs US 7th fleet who would win in that battle?
 
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USN-MID    RE:How Strong is the US 7th Fleet?   4/2/2005 1:20:36 PM
If the PLAN ever came out to the deep blue sea to play, the 7th Fleet would spank their asses all the way back to Shanghai and back. But realistically, if we were ever that worried, we'd send more than just the 7th-the buzzword is deployments...Atlantic or Pacific, they're headed there, in cohesive CSF packages. Looks like we have a buttload of China/Taiwan topics on this board alone...maybe consolidate?
 
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