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Subject: Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?
ChaosEnforcer    2/1/2005 3:27:55 AM
Whenever I read upon the US Navy SEALS, it says that US Navy Seals go through the toughest training in the world. When I read about the SAS, it said they go through the toughest training in the world. So which is tougher? Navy SEALs or British SAS. I know that Navy SEALS train for Sea, Air and Land Operations whereas British SAS are an Special Air Service which means more dedication towards Air. So what do you guys think? USA Navy SEALS or British SAS. Who has the more tougher training?
 
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El Gringo Said    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 6:31:57 AM
Oh my god... no... Does it really matter? BTW your reasoning for SAS is wrong. It was merely a WWII name to give the impression to the Axis that the British had a Large Airborne force in the Middle East. All this will be is another my dick bigger than yours contest...
 
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RM-Nod    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 10:15:42 AM
The answer is so obviously Rangers! Duh! :) Sorry, I'll be serious. Gringo's right, no one here has been through any one of those training regimes and there are few SAS or SEALs that have been through both. Those that have can't really offer an opinion since an SAS soldier going through BUD/S etc will have the advantage of already being at a high level of fitness and competence that he wasn't at when he went through SAS training, and vice versa.
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 10:25:24 AM
Some sort of twisted experiment with twins? It might answer this question, but this is one pudding I hope is never eaten (proof is in the eating/fighting).
 
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seatofpants    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 10:41:15 AM
I don't believe that either is tougher than the other- the training is too different to compare. SEAL training is oriented towards a team mentality as well as individual strength of mind and character. Every training exercise is accomplished as a team, never alone. SAS training is more individualistic- you are given an objective: cross the mountain with full battlegear, no time limits given and you never know if you passed or not until they either let you continue or tell you "thanks, but no thanks". I guess the SAS worry about the "team" mentality later if you have the guts and determination to pass. SEALs take the training to the edge of human endurance and a little beyond, but there are defined limits. SAS doesn't even bother letting you know if there is a limit, you pass or you don't. I would love to know what the SEAL's or SAS have to say about the differences or similarities between the two.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 11:43:42 AM
Seatofpants , you talk without knowing ... Theirs Tasks are quite different . People tend to think wrongly that the SAS is primarly an "Action Group" but they 're not . SAS is all about Intels , they are "military spyies" a la James Bond . Sure they are tough and they know their business but you will not ask them to size a Harbour ... But you can ask it from the SEALS . SEALS , as their name suggests , are a Sea orientated Unit . SAS are not . Thoses who are not in the SpecOps often tend to put Regiments against each other but it doesn 't work this way . And if you 're a SpecOps , you know very well who 's the best in their respective trade . As an exemple , the best SpecOps Navy Divers Worldwide are the Italians COMSUBIN , closely followed by the French "Commando Hubert" and US SEALS . It has to be noted that the SEALS is a pretty big Regiment , when the Italians/French are quite smaller in numbers . They all have theirs tricks and are very good at what they do . Cheers .
 
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El Gringo Said    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 11:48:55 AM
"Seatofpants , you talk without knowing ..." Ahem... "Theirs Tasks are quite different . People tend to think wrongly that the SAS is primarly an "Action Group" but they 're not . SAS is all about Intels , they are "military spyies" a la James Bond . Sure they are tough and they know their business but you will not ask them to size a Harbour ... But you can ask it from the SEALS ." As you are wrong. The SAS have many missions, be it CRW/CT, LRRP & Direct Action. Nigh on every single SAS operation has been on these guidelines. Be Air Troop, Mobility Troop, Mountain Troop or Boat Troop...
 
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Ehran    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 12:37:18 PM
well buds training is a few weeks of misery while the sas course runs just about a year of misery. that's got to count for something. FYI the history channel here in canada is running a 4 hour series (bbc i think) on sas history starting in the early 50's and working their way forward. supposed to offer unprecedented access to the reg't history and personnel.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 2:01:22 PM
No , I am not wrong . SAS has very little Sea Warfare training and they are very limited in Jungle Warfare too . They mostly train on Desert/Rocky terrain . Their Combat training focuses on stealthy assault of small facilities , retreat under heavy enemy fire and Rescue Ops . But I repeat , their purpose is mostly Intels . Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 2:04:53 PM
 
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RM-Nod    RE:Who has the more tougher Training: US Navy SEALS or British SAS?   2/1/2005 2:20:55 PM
Seatofpants , you talk without knowing ... I think the same can be said of you there mate. The SAS has a dedicated Boat troop as has already been pointed out, true there is competition with the SBS but niether neglect any form of warfare. Most recently in Iraq for example the SBS was hundreds of miles inland; the SAS for example while in Afghanistan were tasked with clearing a few of the cave systems along with a various raids. You may also remember the widley reported incident in which the SAS rescued a CIA officer from a prison riot in Stan, certainly more than intel gathering there. In fact they were complaining that they were getting too much direct action work and that much of what they were doing could be done by Paras or RM (perhaps this is a reason for the formation of the new "ranger" battalion from 1 Para). And they have an entire phase of training dedicated to Jungle operations, there experiences in Malaya, Borneo and various other places led to them training quite extensively in Jungle operations. You are completly wrong as to what there training focuses on, actually there are so few of them that they can't afford to focus on any one thing; they train in all aspects of warfare from high altitude artic conditions to Jungle warfare. They don't focus on "stealthy assault of small facilities" they do do that but that is not all they do. The SAS rotates there soldiers through the CRW wing which does specialise in the room clearing kind of assaults you're talking about there. I assure you they do do the full range of tasks, not just intel gathering.
 
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